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    Feral Dogs and Cats Pose Post-Collapse Danger

    When Pets Attack!

    Wild Dogs Pose Post-TEOTWAWKI Danger

    http://www.captaindaves.com/buckshot/dogs.htm

    I was in a chat room tonight and we were discussing dogs. I said "If TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it) happens, then 100 millions dog will be a major problem." Then we got to talking about the Great Depression and how the land was almost hunted dry.

    First, before we accept that as fact, here was the argument. One person stated that when the great depression happened there was half the population, then there is now. So, if a great world collapse was to happen today, his premise was there wouldn't be anything left in the forest. I have to disagree. My biggest point was during the G.D., 40 percent of the population came from farms, most knew how to hunt and a fair percentage knew how to trap. Then it makes senses that the game would disappear. But even then, there were a percentage of trappers all over this country that fed their families and saved their farms with the fur money. See the value of trapping?

    My premise is we have 90 percent of the U.S. population in the cities. Most are soft and would rather steal what you have then work at hunting or trapping. I believe most will never get out of the cities and will die in a hail of gunfire, rioting and fires. When all this is going on, they will let their pets go free, thinking at least they can survive on their own. This is why at 4:00 am I'm writing this article. I could not sleep. I know city people will do this and we will have 100 million dogs and 80 million cats released to go wild.

    Now what I have to say next is not for the weak hearted, if for any reason you have a weak stomach or can't handle a cold hard reality check, then go back to my home page and choose another article.

    OK, for those that are still with me, these animals will be a major problem and must be dealt with. Period. This isn't Disney, where you can talk to the poor dog and cat and the world is all fuzzy and warm. This is reality. If you own animals never, ever, EVER, release them to go wild. If you don't have the stomach for putting them down, have someone else do it. If you have to put dog food away at your camp, cache, whatever, great. I think a dog is invaluable then. A cat in the wild in this crisis is your greatest enemy. One study in Wisconsin found that the best predator against small game was the house cat. The common house cat killed more small game then all other predators in the study.

    Now the reason I'm up this late and can't sleep is the dogs. I understand pack mentality and a pack of dogs scares me more then a pack of wolves. I have been studying the woods and wildlife my whole life. This is how the dogs will form packs, an alpha male will take control of the pack with a beta male as second in command, the packs will range from 6 to 100 dogs depending on the food supply.

    This scenario, I read years ago of a pack like this had 45 dogs and this was how they attacked people. The alpha picked a friendly looking female like a collie. This is the decoy dog. As you are walking in the woods, the collie approaches and draws your attention, as the packs circle you for the kill. When the pack sneaks up to striking distance, they will attack and so will the decoy. I'm talking lighting fast 45 dogs coming at you. How many rounds does your clip have?

    You see when the riots and the death in the city is happening the dogs will learn to fed on the bodies then in turn will acquire the taste for humans. Now you have a pack of wild dogs who consider you and your loved ones as food. They have no fear of man and will kill you to insure their own survival. Now, I'm not trying to scare you and sell fear. I am telling you that this will happen if the chaos of TEOTWAWKI occurs. You'll have to learn to kill dogs and cats on sight. Period. This is not an option.

    If you want to insure your own survival, then listen to me. This is no game. If you think I'm just stating this to sell you trapping equipment then click off this article and go take a poll of the people you know, ask the following question, "What would you do with your dog and cat if you lost your job and could not afford to fed them?" I have lived in the country most of my life and I have had to deal with these animals that people let go on their own.

    I have talked to the people who have told me that they still believe their Ralphy boy is probably still out there hunting with the best of the coyotes. Dreamy like and with pride in there voice! Or I know my cat is still alive because he was the best hunter in the neighborhood, he killed more birds then any other cat!

    I'm not selling anything but reality! I'll tell you another dog story that happened to me. I was trapping on this farm years ago and I caught a black mangy, scaly looking black lab mixed mongrel. I have caught lots of dogs over the years and I can let most go with out a problem, unharmed. Anyway, I approached this dog and started talking to him and slowly moving closer. The dog stood up, wagged his tail and appeared happy to see me. When this happens, 99% percent of the time I can release the dog and place him in my truck to take to the farmhouse and explain what happened. Most dogs are fine and have a sore foot for a couple of days, then they're back to normal. Not this dog he lured me in with his friendly attitude until he thought I was in striking distance, then turned into attack mode. Lucky, I was prepared for the reaction and quickly jumped back. I never will forget that lighting fast change and the snarling teeth just missing my hand. The dog misjudged his strike range, if I had been a little closer this would be a different story.

    So I walk back to truck truck, found the farmer and told him I caught his dog. The farmer says I don't own a dog and what color is it, because some black mongrel attacked his wife yesterday. To make long story short, the dog was turned over to the humane department and tested positive for rabies. Now this was back in the early eighties when a lot of people were getting laid-off. People were letting their dogs go in the farmers' fields and without proper care, and the dogs picked up all kinds of diseases. Someone has to deal with these dogs. There is no such thing as a dog or cat that is better off let go to fend for themselves. I have seen them all and most of the time you would never recognize them after 6 months on there own.

    If a TEOTWAWKI does happen then someone in your group preferably everyone should trap, hunt and kill every dog and cat that has gone wild in your area. Period! I'm writing this early in the morning because I couldn't sleep at the thought of that many wild dogs and cats free in America.

    The best defense to protect your garden and livestock or game animals would be snares. I would have 10 dozens coyote grade snares and enough heavy wire to set all of them at once.

    Here is another theory: Starving people will kill the dogs for food. I say sure some will become food, but the average household that has guns has less then 50 rounds, although most survivalists will have much more. So, I think after the first week most people will be out of ammo. Then the packs will rule.

    Let me know what you think, am I way off base? I just keep thinking of all the people in the cities and their "My dogs are my children" attitude. Dog and cat food is a huge business. I mean, they have pet psychiatrist for Christ sakes. Think about all the movies and shows like 911 where people risk their lives to save animals. I'm not saying that this is wrong, all I'm pointing out is people's attitude toward pets, and I guarantee they will let them go to fend for themselves when the food runs out. Make sure you are ready to face this threat.



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    Thank you very much for writing this, I hadn't even thought of this scenario remotely, but I agree wholeheartedly with your results should the depression that seems inevitable should come. I do believe many of the ridiculous dog breeds will die out though, with the stronger and bigger ones living on to hunt and breed, so that should be somewhat comforting.

    I know that dogs can interbreed with coyotes, since its becoming a problem as the vast numbers of coyotes could become much larger and more packlike almost resembling wolves.
    But would cats be able to interbreed with, Bobcats and the other sorts of wildcats and become more dangerous?

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    I myself did not write this article, I found it on the weblink at the beginning.

    Domesticated dogs, wether intermixed with coyotes or wolf or not, are dangerous all the time. I don't trust other people's pets with my kids... not for a minute. Domesticated dogs don't need to be starving to bite or attack.

    I can say that I live in a "dog rich" part of the country. Most homes have at least two dogs, some have ten times that many. Some people are reponsible and chain and neuter their dogs, but most don't.

    I can recall that during Alaska's last economic implode (caused by plunging oil prices, the wreck of the Exxon-Valdez, and the cooling of over-heated real estate prices) that many dog owners freed their dogs rather than put them down in the small farming community I lived in.

    The result: several children were mauled in their own yards, chained dogs were killed (revenge?), and farmer's livestock was run to death.

    Shooting any unteathered dog was the only recourse, collared or not running in a pack or not. We used to take them down at long distances across rivers, etc. We have laws prohibiting dogs from roaming free, and a "no recovery" law (which means that you don't have to allow a dog owner to collect the nusicence animal you shoot) as a result of the late '80s ecomonmic collapse.

    Get ready, everyone. When people have to make the choice between the cable bill and the dog food bill, they won't mind letting Fido run free and eat a few of your chickens. We are already there.

    I shoot at least two feral cats a year that come after my fixed pet housecat. Once, in rural Georiga, one jumped thru an open window and attacked my cat in my house, a huge tortiseshell Manx male. These feral cats where a major nuisience around settlements in the 1880's. The feral cats can be twice the size of a house cat and are all top-predator when it come to their areas. The ones I have take down here are built like lions and live foot-loose and fancy free year 'round.

    I think the wild game population must suffer the worst from feral animals, and in untold numbers.

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    A very good and timely post.We don't like to think about this scenario since we are such dog lovers,and I am one as well.However,we had this problem out in the boonies at Fort. Benning in the 1980's.I had a "friendly" pitbull try to attack my then 4 year old daughter,luckily in Texas we can carry up to a 5 1/2 inch knife.I carried a mini Kabar. In Texas we were told how feral cats were doing great harm to the state's small game population.So when we were out hunting and came upon a feral cat we'd bust a cap on it.I know P.E.T.A. would go bonkers but hey,welcome to Texas.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/17935363

    Feral pack of beagles threaten old woman and her animals on Long Island, NY.

    People who turn their dogs loose are to blame in this case. It is easy for dog owners to anthromorphize their dogs into people: the truth is every dog has the instinct, ability and desire to hunt.

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    You know I could never figure out how the last visage of Death brought by the fourth horseman of the Apocolipse works out, I can now though!


    7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature call out, ‘Come!’* 8I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ormus View Post
    But would cats be able to interbreed with, Bobcats and the other sorts of wildcats and become more dangerous?
    Yes I have seen this. I've seen half bob-cat/half house cat animals. They resemble large housecats, sometimes without a tail you can see the mix. Bobcats themselves aren't really that dangerous, let alone a mix breed. I've never heard of a bob cat really causing any serious injury, never heard of housecats hunting people down (not even wild ones).

    A lot of people like to talk about dangerous animals in the woods but I've never seen animals like cats to be agressive. The only agressive animals would be maybe a pack of dogs, a bear, maybe a mountain lion. I don't think house cats can interbreed with large cats like that. A bobcat is only about twice the size of a large house cat so it is possible but you don't usually see them in the wild, they hide and such.

    I have seen packs of wild dogs. I mean literally dogs that I guess used to be domesticated. They resemble wolves in their behavior.
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    who said it had to be after "the end of the world"

    A MAN is believed to have been mauled to death by dogs yesterday at a remote Northern Territory community.
    Police said they found the 22-year-old man on the outskirts of one of the Territory's largest communities as he was being mauled by the feral animals,

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225798032000

    Most of the Aboriginal community's have heaps of dogs that can only be called Feral and in my opinion need to be shot


    Or this one closer to the yanks

    A 10-YEAR-OLD boy was attacked and killed by a pack of stray dogs in Canada as he walked to visit a cousin.
    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225825578768
    Tasmanian twice the heads!!.......twice the intelligence!?

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    I think in a post SHTF scenario feral dogs and cats will be quite usefull in keeping down the mouse and rat population. In severe cataclysm you may have quite an explosion in rat and mouse populations carrying disease around everywhere. I don't know about you, but I for dang sure don't want to experience the plague years again.

    Dogs and cats are easy to hunt and shoot if need be to solve a problem, rats and mice..... not so easy... The very idea of a large rat and mouse populations in a post SHTF scenario gives me the willies...

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    Also, in a post-SHTF situation there will be a huge demand for dogs as they will always alert you when there are strangers sneaking around. I certainly would like to have one for that purpose, if only a little lapdog.

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