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    Post Re: Troy

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    We must remember to show all of these wonderous things to our children.

    The Nothing is analogous to the progress of our racial destruction.
    And also remember that a film such as 'the Neverending Story' wouldn't have a chance to be made in USA nowadays. Same goes for a bunch of other movies that actually carry a message, like: They Live!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    That's just one more attempt in thousand of trying to re-locate Troy 'closer to home' ( Albanians say that Troy was in Albania, Montenegrins say it was in Montenegro, Italians say it was in Italy, Spaniards say it was in Spain etc etc )...
    Really? I've always thought that Troy was in, well, Troy.

    Greek Troia , also called Ilios , or Ilion , Latin Troia, Troja , or Ilium ancient city in northwestern Anatolia that holds an enduring place in both literature and archaeology. The legend of the Trojan War is the most notable theme from ancient Greek literature and forms the basis of Homer's Iliad.

    Sorry, guys.

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    The fact that USA has the money to make movies cast with a bunch of typical northern Europeans in the roles of ancient Greeks is just an attempt ( sadly successful ) at re-writing and stealing history.
    Maybe Hollywood is Nordicist? LOL

    What Greeks and ancient Greeks consider to be blonde is what you consider to be light-brown.
    Modern Greeks perhaps, but you are speculating with regards to ancient Greeks.

    Conclusion: Brad Pitt, Sean Bean and Peter O Toole look foreign in Greece and the Balkans now, and they would've looked just as foreign in ancient times.
    I disagree. To argue that the Greece of 3,200 years ago is racially identical to modern Greece, seems a bit far-fetched. It is almost like saying Britain, after the post-colonial backlash, would stay exactly the same racially in 3,200 years from now. Unrealistic. Greece is located at a crossroads, at the southernmost tip of eastern Europe - an area of great ethnic strife and people movements/assimilations since history began. We have many evidences from antiquity that point to the Nordic race, at least morphologically, was represented in ancient Greece. Also, we have evidence as to light hair pigmentation and blue eyes. This can be a topic for discussion.

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    As AWAR said,a close look to Greek art of all periods of antiquity can be very informative about the racial types of Greeks (especially paintings).Admiration of greek culture make people bring them closer to their looks.Jesus is a good example of it:Northern Europeans think of him Nordic,Southern Europeans Mediterranean,black people as negroid,etc,although Jesus was nothing more but a Hebrew of 1 AD century(if he really ever existed0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Maybe Hollywood is Nordicist? LOL
    Nordicist Jews Nah, I doubt that... it's just awkward that there is so much attention given to the 'authenticity' of a movie based on Tolkien, while there's no paying attention to the authenticity of real events, or at least events that have a real historical period as it's setting.


    I disagree. To argue that the Greece of 3,200 years ago is racially identical to modern Greece, seems a bit far-fetched. It is almost like saying Britain, after the post-colonial backlash, would stay exactly the same racially in 3,200 years from now. Unrealistic. Greece is located at a crossroads, at the southernmost tip of eastern Europe - an area of great ethnic strife and people movements/assimilations since history began. We have many evidences from antiquity that point to the Nordic race, at least morphologically, was represented in ancient Greece. Also, we have evidence as to light hair pigmentation and blue eyes. This can be a topic for discussion.
    There still are lots of blue-eyed people in the Balkans, there still are people who have the Nordic phenotype, sometimes even with the very light pigmentation too, I don't doubt that... but, in Troy, it's an overload.

    The Myceneans are represented by two Borreby-Brunn guys... the king of Troy is totally blonde, his two sons are dark ( and authentic ) etc. They also edited out all the mythology from the story, rendering it totally ambiguous... a very annoying trend in the newer Hollywood movies, where they use history as a mere window-dressing.

    I wonder if the upcoming films about Alexander the Great will be about Alexander, or will these just be generic 'adventure-biography of generic great man'...

    Also, closer to home to you can be the many films based on your northern European legends. Look at what they did to William Wallace in Braveheart... they totally disregarded the true story, or how about Robin Hood movies, or worst of all, the movies based on the tales of King Arthur... or should I say, based around 'making a buck' and using ol' Arthur as a window dressing for some lame love story.

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    I find disturbing to see a few meds racially in the movie,
    Aquiles,Helena ... greeks and old greeks dont look like these,
    Hector looks more real but anyway a good film

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    Post Re: Troy

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Nordicist Jews Nah, I doubt that... it's just awkward that there is so much attention given to the 'authenticity' of a movie based on Tolkien, while there's no paying attention to the authenticity of real events, or at least events that have a real historical period as it's setting.




    There still are lots of blue-eyed people in the Balkans, there still are people who have the Nordic phenotype, sometimes even with the very light pigmentation too, I don't doubt that... but, in Troy, it's an overload.

    The Myceneans are represented by two Borreby-Brunn guys... the king of Troy is totally blonde, his two sons are dark ( and authentic ) etc. They also edited out all the mythology from the story, rendering it totally ambiguous... a very annoying trend in the newer Hollywood movies, where they use history as a mere window-dressing.

    I wonder if the upcoming films about Alexander the Great will be about Alexander, or will these just be generic 'adventure-biography of generic great man'...

    Also, closer to home to you can be the many films based on your northern European legends. Look at what they did to William Wallace in Braveheart... they totally disregarded the true story, or how about Robin Hood movies, or worst of all, the movies based on the tales of King Arthur... or should I say, based around 'making a buck' and using ol' Arthur as a window dressing for some lame love story.
    The film "Troy" is, of course, historically inaccurate. The real Trojan war actually lasted for eight or nine years, I believe - not a few weeks as the movie suggested.

    But yeah, I also saw the subracial disparity in the movie between parents and their children. It decreases credibility. Overall, it is aesthetically pleasing to see Nordish-looking figures in the roles of kings and queens of Greece and Troy.

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    Post Re: Troy

    Faces of Kings from the Balkans:



    Greeks used to paint the sculptures, here's one where the color has survived the ages... Zeus:


    The usual mistake is imagining these people as blonde, just because of the lack of colour.


    Colour is very present in the paintings:


    For more information, visit this site: http://www.dienekes.com/greek/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR

    For more information, visit this site: http://www.dienekes.com/greek/
    Dienekes' site is not an unbiased source, unfortunately - and can thus not be considered as independent research. He clearly has an "anti-Nordicist" theme throughout his pages, and his main reason for constructing the site initially was to combat a Nordicist perspective. I have read his contributions on the SNPA mailing list long before he put up his blog.

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    Biased or unbiased, the pictures found anywhere on the internet tell the truth much better than words.

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