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    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    Well I'm not an American citizen, it would be different if I were.
    Are you planning on staying here, or just for your schooling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Are you planning on staying here, or just for your schooling?
    Well that will depend on what the future will bring, won't it? I wouldn't be as hypocritical to both hold a citizenship and no loyalty. I don't believe in becoming a citizen of a country willingly and not doing anything for your adopted land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    Well that will depend on what the future will bring, won't it? I wouldn't be as hypocritical to both hold a citizenship and no loyalty. I don't believe in becoming a citizen of a country willingly and not doing anything for your adopted land.
    As always, you have my respect.

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    But it's like that with Jews... their loyalty first and foremost is to each other and to Israel. I think this is wrong. Same with all of these other immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    I disagree. I think the film cast was about right as far as subracial distribution was concerned in ancient Greece. The Nordic type was represented, as well as others. Although a bad actor, the woman who played Helen was beautiful, and probably racially similar to what Helen of Troy must have been. Also, it was good and realistic to see a blonde Achilles.
    The fact that USA has the money to make movies cast with a bunch of typical northern Europeans in the roles of ancient Greeks is just an attempt ( sadly successful ) at re-writing and stealing history.

    What Greeks and ancient Greeks consider to be blonde is what you consider to be light-brown.

    Ancient Greece had seen the presence of 'Nordid' people, but these Nordid people had nothing to do with Northern Europe, these were Irano-Nordoids and Nordids from the Eurasian steppes. Also, there was always present a UP type, closest to the Borreby, ruddy, blue or grey eyed, and indigenous on the Balkans

    The first invasion of Slavs into the Balkans was documented by Byzantine ( Greek ) historians who described these Slavs as being white-haired and snub-nosed, and very peculiar to the Greeks of that time.

    Conclusion: Brad Pitt, Sean Bean and Peter O Toole look foreign in Greece and the Balkans now, and they would've looked just as foreign in ancient times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ogenoct
    Or his brilliant literary adaptation from 1984 - THE NEVERENDING STORY.

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    One of my favorite movies as a child.

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    Also there is a total overload of 'Nordish-looking' actors who simply look ridiculous to anyone who has ever seen any ancient Greek art... again, Eric Bana looks convincing as a mediterranean fellow, Rose Byrne, Brian Cox and some others really bring a much needed authenticity to the film.
    Actually there's a theory that the Greek stories of Troy were based on not Greeks, but "Sea People".

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    The Story Behind Homer's Epics

    The false assumption that Troy and the Trojan War was waged near Hissarlik in Asia Minor, where no traces of war are found, dates back to the eighth century BC when the first Greeks settled on Turkey's west coast.

    The Greeks did not know that the Trojans who once lived in that area were migrants, as the collective memory of this fact was lost during the Dark Ages (1200-750 BC).

    From 1180 to 1100 Hissarlik was indeed inhabited by a non-local people. They were the survivors of the greatest war of prehistory, when Troy on the Gog Magog Hills in Cambridgeshire, England, was destroyed. Here, countless bronze weapons and other remains of a major war in the late Bronze Age have been found.

    The great migrations of the second millennium BC brought also Achaeans, Troy's enemies, from regions along the Atlantic coast of the Continent to the Mediterranean where they caused the collapse of many civilisations.

    The name 'Achaeans' means 'Watermen' or 'Sea People' (the Gothic 'acha' for 'water' or 'stream' is cognate with Latin 'aqua'). The Greek historian Herodotus (fifth century BC) confirms that Pelasgians ('Sea Peoples') had settled in Greece long before his time. They founded Athens, renamed places, merged with the local population and adopted their language.

    With the Achaeans came their gods and their oral tradition, including the Iliad and the Odyssey, which were written down in Greek only around 750 BC. Meanwhile, the newcomers had engaged in the time-honoured practice of renaming towns, rivers and mountains after familiar places in their former homelands. The transfer of place-names naturally led to the belief that the events described in the epics took place in Greece and the Mediterranean and that the Achaeans were Greeks.

    In this way, the origin of the Trojans and Achaeans was forgotten while the reality behind the Iliad and the Odyssey was lost as well. The purpose of the book 'Where Troy Once Stood' is simply to tell that lost story, the story behind Homer's epics.

    The methodology of the research on Troy is explained in the author's lecture to the "Herodoteans", Classical Society of the University of Cambridge held in 1992, entitled "The Trojan Kings of England". It was made available on the internet by emeritus professor P.H.Damste at: www.phdamste.tripod.com/trojan.html

    The second (revised) Dutch language edition of "Where Troy Once Stood" was published by Bosch & Keuning in 1999 and available in Holland and Belgium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soil
    One of my favorite movies as a child.
    We must remember to show all of these wonderous things to our children.

    The Nothing is analogous to the progress of our racial destruction.

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    Conclusion: Brad Pitt, Sean Bean and Peter O Toole look foreign in Greece and the Balkans now, and they would've looked just as foreign in ancient times.
    Hmm, we dont really know at least not that exact how the ancient Greeks looked like, but for Peter O'Toole I may thing the same although he is typical general Skandonordid not so disimilar to the general Nordids of Eastern Europe and Central Europe (where the "Greek" tribes may have come from).

    Furthermore Brad Pitt has some UP influence.

    The only thing I would have said is that it was just too much. If we think about a mixed upper class of people with recessive Nordid features they would have had some Nordid features but not so strong and in so much people.

    The 2nd leader of the Myrmidons with his light eyes and dark hair and more Balkan like features which followed Achilles in that movie was about right I think.
    Others were right as well although it was, like with many things...just too much.

    Especially that even the Trojans had such a Nordid king like Peter O'Toole. Not to forget that his sons looked totally different...
    A good comparison of Peter and people which look like Anatolians:
    http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/MyWebF...a/LawTurk3.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krampus
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    Actually there's a theory that the Greek stories of Troy were based on not Greeks, but "Sea People".

    Taken from-
    http://www.troy-in-england.co.uk/
    That's just one more attempt in thousand of trying to re-locate Troy 'closer to home' ( Albanians say that Troy was in Albania, Montenegrins say it was in Montenegro, Italians say it was in Italy, Spaniards say it was in Spain etc etc )...

    Anyway, the 'Gothic' word Acha being connected to Achaians is a lame attempt at labeling a clearly Indo-European root word as something that suits the author, in this case: Goths being Achaians... Conveniently forgetting that the real Achaian movements are documented to be in southeastern Europe in the 2nd millenium BC, and that the Goths appeared some 2200 years later. ( not to mention that Goths vs. Brits in 1200 BC would induce only a laugh from any historian ).

    Troy was most probably an old settlement on the coast of Anatolia. In the time it was described in the Illiad, it's most likely it was settled by Phrygians ( a people closely related to Thracians from the Balkans ). The Illiad is a product of Homer's imagination, the real Trojan war may have been of a much smaller scale than someone would expect.

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