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    Has anyone heard anything about the new film, Troy. I am already finding myself having trouble with Brad Pitt as Achilles just as I had trouble with him as Heinrich Haarer.

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    I've seen the trailer today, and it looks like it's going to be bad. ( too Americanized, heavy on the CGI, Matrix-style editing, bullet time etc. )

    Brad Pitt looks sort of inadequate for the role of Achilles, Orlando Bloom ( Legolas of LOTR fame ) looks like a gay Paris, and Eric Bana looks perfect as Odysseus.

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    I thought that Brad Pitt was great as Harrer! I think SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET is an excellent film (except the scene were Pitt is mocking the march of the German soldiers - that's just silly).

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    Post Re: Troy

    Quote Originally Posted by ogenoct
    I thought that Brad Pitt was great as Harrer! I think SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET is an excellent film (except the scene were Pitt is mocking the march of the German soldiers - that's just silly).

    Constantin

    I did like Seven Years in Tibet but Brad simply looks like an American in my eyes. I don't know why I say this but it is true and something which he could not overcome, in my eyes, in this movie. His freind in Tibet, "Schnieder"???, was convincing.

    Achilles was a "bad actor" not a leading man actor, if you get my meaning.

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    But how does a European-American look like but European? I think you might have felt that way because of Pitt's celebrity status. I was able to overlook that. Also, I think he looks fine as Achilles, but I will have to wait to see the full extent of his role in the movie to be able to fully judge his role as the (almost) invincible Greek.

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    Post Re: Troy

    How can an American film be too "Americanized"? Most decent films are American.

    I enjoyed the made-for-TV movie Helen of Troy. The girl who played Helen in that is really beautiful. More beautiful than the one in the movie Troy.
    http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0340477/

    One reviewer said that the mythology isn't very strong in the movie Troy (was in Helen of Troy), so that's a let down. He also said that the men are prettier than the women and Helen herself. Sad. I looked at the actress, a German model, and she really isn't that great, but decent.

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    I meant that it follows to closely on the current trends of American cinema.
    Ever since the Matrix, Saving Private Ryan, Gladiator and Braveheart, the directors have been making films based on the recipes found in the aforementioned blockbusters.

    I've seen Troy yesterday, and I was pleasantly surprised that the film wasn't as bad as I thought. They actually put the worst scenes in the trailer... the matrix-like scenes, the 'look how many soldiers/ships we can create with CGI' etc.

    It was a pleasant experience, a bit too short for such an epic. The fight sequences man vs. man were fantastic, the editing and coreography were absolutely perfect.
    The huge scale battle scenes weren't as atmospheric as in some other new epics.
    The editing in these sequences was very sluggish, they wanted to show-off the sheer number of soldiers, but they did it at least 10 times.... so, when you see a slow shot of a huge marching army for the tenth time, it can get on ones nerves.

    The total contrary were the dialogue sequences which are all way too short, so you can't really come to relate with most of the characters.

    The cast goes from 'perfect' to 'wrong'...
    Peter O Toole is fenomenal as Priam, his emotions are REAL.

    Eric Bana is PERFECT, he brings Hector to life.

    Brad Pitt once again stars as a 'champion' like in numerous other films, but he does play Achilles convincingly and plays a good 'hero and villain at the same time'.

    Orlando Bloom Someone should shoot this moron.

    Brian Cox Either Cox didn't get in the role as good as he could, or some of his better, more subtle, but less 'cool' acting didn't get into the final edit of the movie.
    His portrayal of Agamemnon is shallow and noisy, like a video-game villain.

    Diane Kruger as Helen is totally unconvincing, like she accidentally wandered onto the set of Troy from some magazine swimsuit edition. The sequences with her and Orlando Bloom are plain painful and detract from the movie's total value.

    Sean Bean good actor to portray Odysseus, not much more than that.

    Brendan Gleeson good and memorable performance as Menelaus.

    Rose Byrne Should have had a bit more screen-time as Briseis, nice acting.

    I think that the producers were wrong to totally dismiss the mytholgical portions of this tale. Without the Gods, this movie is a simple Love & War affair, with little real connections to the ancient world.

    Also there is a total overload of 'Nordish-looking' actors who simply look ridiculous to anyone who has ever seen any ancient Greek art... again, Eric Bana looks convincing as a mediterranean fellow, Rose Byrne, Brian Cox and some others really bring a much needed authenticity to the film.

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    A movie can never be too Nordish. They have the make the movie appealing... women find Nordish men to be handsome and manly, it's only natural to use them. The swarthiness must be kept low.

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    I just got back from an 11:10PM showing...not many in the theatre. I had read a few reviews about this movie and they were mostly negative so I went into the movie not expecting too much. The movie was under three hours in length and it didn't feel lengthy at all. The reviews in this case were wrong. The only bad part of the movie is that the gods didn't play any part in the movie. The movie came off feeling more historical than mythical poetry. I agree with Awar about Orlando Bloom. I didn't like him in the role at all and this is coming from someone that has nothing against the actor. I loved the battle scenes and the close up combat. I was surprised by the body dragging in the movie. No ones compared it to Iraq/Somalia yet in the media. Hope it stays that way. This is a movie that I wouldn't mind seeing again and I will definitely pick it up on DVD. If you go see the movie try to pick out the mexican extras in the battles

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    Post Re: Troy

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Most decent films are American.
    I actually like foreign films. Australia, for example, has made some good films.
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    IHR Revisionist Conference, April 24, 2004, internet broadcast:

    http://www.internationalrevisionistconference.c om/

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