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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashera View Post
    And what was the effect in the end? That the Romans tacked him down the cross...
    The Christian "golden age" from 500 to 1300 was the result, which declined after that due to stupidity (the papacy let itself be dominated by the French monarchy which led to the destruction of the Templars).


    Yes, the revolutions of the past. But today there are no Romans anymore - we have to fight them in our minds
    But the mental rebellion is based on falsehood, like "democratic principles" and such.

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    On the contrary, you forget Nietzsche's concept of the laughing lion, where laughter is a tool of power, an aspect of the Master morality.
    But that is a false laughter. Nietzsche favored compulsory military service with real wars, but wars for what purpose and between who? And what about class warfare? The lion is no model for humanity. Nietzsche claims to be life affirming but he falls short of a definition, because he never raised himself to pure being, a point which is made clear by a total absence in his philosophy of transcendence. That is the problem with the forbidden fruit--you think you are affirming life but you are really getting pulled under by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exit View Post
    The Christian "golden age" from 500 to 1300 was the result, which declined after that due to stupidity (the papacy let itself be dominated by the French monarchy).
    I see that as logical system inherent development.

    But the mental rebellion is based on falsehood, like "democratic principles" and such.
    Seemingly you use mirror image theories to come to your conclusions.

    Nietzsche claims to be life affirming but he falls short of a definition...
    How could there be a definition of "life affirmation"?


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    People only like Nietzsche because he offers them the apple of atheism, individualism, and materialism, but the goal of life, if there is to be one at all, must be an objectivity. When Nietzsche says there is no "subject or object" (therefore there can only be subjectivity) he resorts to a childlike ignorance from which he bases an even worse conclusion: the abolition of the absolute. That Nietzsche cannot realize the truth does not mean that everyone else cannot either. Modernism however stems from this same apple that he offers us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exit View Post
    People only like Nietzsche because he offers them the apple of atheism, individualism, and materialism, but the goal of life, if there is to be one at all, must be an objectivity. When Nietzsche says there is no "subject or object" (therefore there can only be subjectivity) he resorts to a childlike ignorance from which he bases an even worse conclusion: the abolition of the absolute. That Nietzsche cannot realize the truth does not mean that everyone else cannot either. Modernism however stems from this same apple that he offers us.
    You're confusing the utility of truth with its absolute reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exit View Post
    ...the goal of life, if there is to be one at all, must be an objectivity.
    Then the aim of life would be the death - if one accepts the rules of thermodynamics as being plausible. Any "objective aim" would produce a homoeostatic order then, cold death or heat death - however you like it.

    When Nietzsche says there is no "subject or object" (therefore there can only be subjectivity) he resorts to a childlike ignorance from which he bases an even worse conclusion: the abolition of the absolute. That Nietzsche cannot realize the truth does not mean that everyone else cannot either. Modernism however stems from this same apple that he offers us.
    If you put objectivity away that what remains cannot be subjectivity: without object there is no subject. You need a completely different approach then, for example the concepts of the "participant" and the "observer created universe".

    Nietzsche thought very far, but one should not forget that he was a 19th century thinker.

    The absolute is an objectifier and as a such a killer...

    Ashera

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