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  • Only those of English ancestry (not including Germans, Scandinavians...)

    9 3.49%
  • Only those of English and/or other Germanic ancestry (including Germans, Scandinavians...)

    84 32.56%
  • Only those of European ancestry (including Italians, Poles...)

    83 32.17%
  • Anyone

    66 25.58%
  • Other

    16 6.20%
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    Who Can Become an American?

    We know who can become an American according to official laws, but what about from a racialist/nationalist point of view? Who do you think can become an American and who can't? What do you base your choice on?

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    Immigration should have been limited to the English and I still think it would be best if the others just left.

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    It is everybody who is born in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Immigration should have been limited to the English and I still think it would be best if the others just left.
    What, including all the German-Americans who make up about 17% of all Americans? And which are the majority population in most rural areas and in virtually no case the third largest, but always the largest or second largest group in midwestern states? With many more than those 17% having substantial German ancestry, pretty much robbing the US of much of its fundament?

    If you then continue to chuck those with substantial Scottish, Irish, Dutch (who were oft early arrivals) or Scandinavian ancestry, and only kept those with predominantly English ancestry, you may find that the population of the U.S. is at least halved, with all non-Southern states except those in New England pretty much having the population density of Antarctica.



    Having said that - even though I am not an American and should thus maybe not judge: I believe that the U.S. should allow immigration from Northern European countries only - that is those with Germanic, Celtic, Fennic or Baltic ancestry, and perhaps allocate different parts of the country to each respective group (in order to encourage mixing between one's own meta-ethnicity). This was pretty much how the country was conceived, and that's how it should be.

    Southern Europeans (Romance, Hellenes, South Slavs, Shqiptars) or Eastern Europeans (East/North Slavs, West Slavs, Magyars) should not be permitted to immigrate into the U.S., except maybe in exceptional cases.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Having said that - even though I am not an American and should thus maybe not judge: I believe that the U.S. should allow immigration from Northern European countries only - that is those with Germanic, Celtic, Fennic or Baltic ancestry, and perhaps allocate different parts of the country to each respective group (in order to encourage mixing between one's own meta-ethnicity). This was pretty much how the country was conceived, and that's how it should be.
    I can understand the inclusions of Germans and Celts, but what criterion is behind encouraging immigration of Finns and Balts? What significant contribution did they have to the building of America, that e.g. the Slavs and Mediterraneans didn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eoppoyz View Post
    It is everybody who is born in America.
    Including Hispanic anchor babies?

    Remember, I'm not asking who can become an American according to official laws. I already know that. Maybe I should have phrased my question differently: who should become an American?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    I can understand the inclusions of Germans and Celts, but what criterion is behind encouraging immigration of Finns and Balts? What significant contribution did they have to the building of America, that e.g. the Slavs and Mediterraneans didn't?
    No, only immigration from Germanics and Celtics should actively be encouraged. Immigration from Fennics and Baltics should be allowed or tolerated, considering that often their communities predate the large immigration waves.

    There is a sizeable Finnish-American community for one, some of it dating a fair while back. Latvians and Finns first arrived in America around 1640 with Swedes, and many can trace their ancestry back right to those settlers. Lithuanians and Estonians would have to be included by association and their exclusion would be arbitrary. Estonians first arrived to escape persecution by the Russiand and the Lithuanian-American community would appear to be fairly small, to my knowledge.

    Considering the small size of the countries in mention (none has more than 5 million inhabitants themselves), their immigration waves, including their early immigration waves predating 1776 by far, were quite considerable. Their being tolerated should thus be reasoned upon their ancient settlement.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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    I think with the exception of those like Ben Franklin, most of the Founding Fathers "envisioned" and "intended" for the U.S. to be mostly descended of Northern European Germanic peoples and perhaps some Celts as well. This would include the English, Germans, Scandinavians, Dutch, Scottish, Welsh and Irish. The only exception was maybe allowing the "small" left over minority of white French and white Spanish to stay in what was left over of their former settlements in places like Louisiana and Florida, "not" whole states mind you, just the areas where they claimed residence from the colonial days. I imagine many would have assimilated into the large Germanic population anyways like in the case of the French Huguenots.

    When I sometimes lurk on White Nationalist boards like Stormfront, I will often read White Americans argue that the U.S. wasn't intended to be a multiracial country which is true if you read the old legal and constitutional documents. American White Nationalists particularly the Southern and Eastern Europeans will also argue that the U.S. was intended to be a melting pot of Pan Europeans, I don't however think this is accurate. The U.S. was not intended to be either a multiracial or Pan European country but it was suppose to be a "Pan Germanic Country." The culture values, legal system and languages strongly reflected this.

    Along with culture, religion was kind of a sticky situation. At the time of the founding of the U.S. most were either Protestants, Deists or Non religious. There were a small minority of English Catholics from Maryland but other Catholics of any ethnicity had a hell of time of being accepted. Although one exception maybe were German Catholics who were never really pushy with their religion and only came in small numbers, most Germans that came to the U.S. were Protestant. The Irish who were mostly Catholic were not accepted at first mostly due to their religion, had they been Protestant they would have had a much easier time. Along with their religious differences, there was also large cultural differences with the Italian, Greek and Slavic immigrants that tried to immigrate to U.S. Even to this day cultural issues pop up from time to time with these groups but they only make up a small portion of the population.

    There was no question that the U.S. had a strong preference for immigrants from Northwestern Europe for obvious cultural and kinship reasons. The Immigration Law of 1924 led to a practical halt on immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe. Base on the historic and legal evidence there was no question the American Founding Fathers intended the U.S. to be a "Pan Germanic Country." Even Ben Franklin I think spoke out of ignorance when he called the Germans swarthy, had he spent time with more Germans he would have had a different view. I voted for the second option of this poll for obvious reasons.

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    First off I don't believe any non-Europids should be given citizenship. If this was 1809, I would restrict immigration & naturalization to persons who were of Protestant British stock. The demographic situation in the US would be a lot better today if that had been the case. The original Euro-Americans of 1776 would have evolved into a distinct ethnicity (as the Quebecois & Afrikaners did) without a continuing infusion of new immigrants with different ethnic backgrounds.

    For 2009 I think prefernence should be given to Europids from Britain, Ireland the White Dominions of the British Commonwealth (including White South Africans), with no restricitons except for criminal records & ability to support themselves. Germans (Austria & Switzerland included), Scandinavians, Finns, Balts, French (Gallo-French, not Caucasian North Africans) & natives of the Benelux countries should be next. The actual numbers would depend on how many would want to actual immigrate to the US. America had trouble assimulating the Germans in the 19th century because of their large numbers & their propensity to settle in ethnic enclaves at a time when Germany was a rising world power. Any other Europids would have to be on a case-by-case basis. A few Poles or Czech immigrating because of marriage or because they have certain marketable skills would not be a problem, a few million would just create a Slavic ghetto somewhere.

    It should be said that I think anyone wanting to become a US citizen should accept English as the first language for their American descendents & American law (rooted in Anglo-Saxon law) & America's more conservative social values. We shouldn't have to become more European to applease the newcomers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    It should be said that I think anyone wanting to become a US citizen should accept English as the first language for their American descendents & American law (rooted in Anglo-Saxon law) & America's more conservative social values. We shouldn't have to become more European to applease the newcomers.
    I voted only English. I'm growing tired of these "German" Americans who are stepping with their foot in neither yard. They don't want to accept becoming Anglicized, but they don't speak German either, or they speak only a few words. Holding on to traditions lost centuries ago is pointless. We don't want those people back. The English are the people most compatible with the American lifestyle because their language and culture corresponds.

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