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    There are two meanings of Mediterranean. If you mean the Mediterranean people/civilization/culture, then yes, they're foreign.
    If you mean the Mediterranean sub-race then no, it's not foreign. it's just a name of a subrace. It doesn't mean someone who is of this subrace has Spanish or Italian ancestors. There are Slavic Hallstatts who have nothing to do with Austria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    Anyway, I respect the achievements of the mediterranean world and their culture (Greece, Sparta, Roman Empire, etc).
    Also the achievements of nordids

    Greece:
    http://www.white-history.com/hwr10.htm

    http://www.white-history.com/hwr11.htm

    Rome:
    http://www.white-history.com/hwr12.htm

    http://www.white-history.com/hwr13.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    it's just a name of a subrace. It doesn't mean someone who is of this subrace has Spanish or Italian ancestors.
    It does mean that they share mutual ancestors with Spaniards and Italians. The stereotypical 'grease-monkey' Spaniards and Italians that is, not whatever descendants of the Lombards and celtic Galicians reside in those countries today.

    A guy who was in my D&D group for years claimed that there was a group of Kurds who had moved to Austria/Germany at some time in the past, and that Hitler was a descendant of these and this explained his anti-semitism. I looked but didn't find any source on the internet which talked about this. However, if this is true, this would well the presence of 'darker' people in Germany/Austria.

    Whether this is true or not, 'Mediterraneans' are descended from either the southern periphery of Europe or outside of it, and thus are racially alien to any Germanic country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    A guy who was in my D&D group for years claimed that there was a group of Kurds who had moved to Austria/Germany at some time in the past, and that Hitler was a descendant of these and this explained his anti-semitism. I looked but didn't find any source on the internet which talked about this. However, if this is true, this would well the presence of 'darker' people in Germany/Austria.
    That is sound reasoning on all counts and I have uncovered evidence: http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=101653

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    Well if Mediterraneans are characterized by dark hair, eyes and skin, then anyone who has any of these features has a Med component and would be wise not to boast about the genetic inferiority of Mediterraneans. I've noticed several 'anti-Meds' in this thread who themselves have one dark feature or other. Tut tut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    Well if Mediterraneans are characterized by dark hair, eyes and skin, then anyone who has any of these features has a Med component
    Well if Nordics are characterized by two eyes, arms and legs, then anyone...

    The source of darker pigmentation is both controversial and irrelevant. The real question behind it is whether its proportional strength should be expanded in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    and would be wise not to boast about the genetic inferiority of Mediterraneans.
    Depends on the definition of wisdom. It is perhaps wise for a failure not to promote success, but then again, this should not be encouraged by those wise enough to want to avoid further failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Well if Nordics are characterized by two eyes, arms and legs, then anyone...
    A useless comparison and you know it. My post said nothing about my views on whether Mediterranean Blood is a foreign component, merely that if it is, certain members demonstrating similar features to Meds should recognise their own genetic shortcomings when themselves denouncing Meds as foreign to the Germanic world.

    If a distinction can be made between dark pigmentation in Germanics and dark pigmentation in Mediterranean types, then I'd be interested to know what exactly about Mediterranean types indicates their exceedingly foreign blood in comparison to the former.
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    In Kreis AnnA, you are all foreign components of my Germanic world. As for Mediterraneans, they are different by the sum of their whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    It does mean that they share mutual ancestors with Spaniards and Italians.
    We all do, if we go back far enough. As long as there is no traceable Romanic ancestor for a very long time, I can't see why a German with Mediterranean subrace would be considered "foreign". The Nationalsocialist anthropologists made a list with German subraces and Mediterranean was one of them.

    The stereotypical 'grease-monkey' Spaniards and Italians that is, not whatever descendants of the Lombards and celtic Galicians reside in those countries today.
    Actually, many Celtic people are characterized by darker phenotypes. And Mediterranid Germans don't look anything like the "stereotypical 'grease-monkey' Spaniards and Italians".

    A guy who was in my D&D group for years claimed that there was a group of Kurds who had moved to Austria/Germany at some time in the past, and that Hitler was a descendant of these and this explained his anti-semitism. I looked but didn't find any source on the internet which talked about this. However, if this is true, this would well the presence of 'darker' people in Germany/Austria.
    That's ridiculous. There is no evidence to support this. Hitler's family tree has been traced German through and through. Hitler didn't have a Mediterranean phenotype, by the way. He was sub-Nordid. Pigmentation alone doesn't determine subrace. Even Nordids can have brown hair.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    Well if Mediterraneans are characterized by dark hair, eyes and skin, then anyone who has any of these features has a Med component and would be wise not to boast about the genetic inferiority of Mediterraneans. I've noticed several 'anti-Meds' in this thread who themselves have one dark feature or other. Tut tut.
    See above. Pigmentation alone doesn't determine subrace. Natalie Imbruglia is Mediterranid and she has blue eyes. This German woman (Kathrin Hölzl) has dark hair and eyes, but she is not Mediterranid.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    There are two meanings of Mediterranean. If you mean the Mediterranean people/civilization/culture, then yes, they're foreign.
    If you mean the Mediterranean sub-race then no, it's not foreign. it's just a name of a subrace. It doesn't mean someone who is of this subrace has Spanish or Italian ancestors. There are Slavic Hallstatts who have nothing to do with Austria.
    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    It does mean that they share mutual ancestors with Spaniards and Italians. The stereotypical 'grease-monkey' Spaniards and Italians that is, not whatever descendants of the Lombards and celtic Galicians reside in those countries today.

    Whether this is true or not, 'Mediterraneans' are descended from either the southern periphery of Europe or outside of it, and thus are racially alien to any Germanic country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    We all do, if we go back far enough. As long as there is no traceable Romanic ancestor for a very long time, I can't see why a German with Mediterranean subrace would be considered "foreign". The Nationalsocialist anthropologists made a list with German subraces and Mediterranean was one of them.

    Actually, many Celtic people are characterized by darker phenotypes. And Mediterranid Germans don't look anything like the "stereotypical 'grease-monkey' Spaniards and Italians".
    Not all Spanish or Italians are Mediterranean in subrace. They have their share of Nordids, Alpines and other subraces. I can't help but get an impression from both of you that you see someone like myself as some how "tainted" for being 1/8 Spanish or that it cancels out my 7/8 Germanic Heritage. My Spanish great grandfather was from Northern Spain and was of Castile origin. I don't even look Mediterranean, my natural hair color is light auburn with a little blond, I have fair skin and green eyes. But it doesn't matter I don't identify with the Spanish as I said in a previous post. I consider myself Germanic and only date or potentially marry a Germanic woman. I am thick skinned and if someone sees me as tainted or as less Germanic, then too bad I will not stop identifying as Germanic and I will not leave this movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    See above. Pigmentation alone doesn't determine subrace. Natalie Imbruglia is Mediterranid and she has blue eyes. This German woman (Kathrin Hölzl) has dark hair and eyes, but she is not Mediterranid.
    Agreed. But then what is it that makes an Italian's dark hair more foreign than a German's dark hair? Do we base that on assumptions about ancestry? If we're asking the question: "Is Mediterranean Blood a Foreign Component in the Germanic World?", then there must be something we identify as foreign about Mediterranean genes - and what is that if not the dark pigmentation? It is often said that the classic Nordid and classic Med are morphologically similar, other than in pigmentation. So if the same Med pigmentation we classify as foreign to Germanics is partially present among Germanics, then could those Germanics not be said to carry partially foreign blood?

    I don't know. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here and covering all aspects of the argument. I'm fairly darkly pigmented in ways myself and I have no known Med ancestry. I suppose I'm of the opinion that the genetic lines of different European subsets aren't quite as defined as some Germanics would like to believe. There are genetic overlaps and so perhaps some Germanics shouldn't be so quick to deem Mediterraneans as racially inferior.
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