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    Quote Originally Posted by English Rose View Post
    what I should have said is that it's a shame that the thread has so much criticism for provocatively dressed women in it, when we really aren't as bad as some people think
    It is not completely impossible to connect such a dress style with sound personal values, but the cultural values attached to it in modern Western culture are hedonism and a generally negative attitude towards life. This justifies the assumption that those who dress that way might share such values, even though it is not true in every single case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burnitdown View Post
    Modesty says: I value myself and I'm not here for the taking.

    It also says: I know enough about life not to cheapen myself.

    Slutty dressing says: I have low self-esteem and was raped by a parent.

    It's obvious which one smart people will value, and which dumb people will fear.
    I object to your statement. You appear to be making light of major abuse by tying it to questionable fashion.

    Some predators focus on victims that they think will not report a rape/assault. They go for conservatively dressed women who look shy/uncomfortable/looking down/submissive. I am not telling anyone to not dress conservatively just do not rely on it as protection.

    It is provable that many children that are abused become more sexually active than children with a normal childhood. Many women who have been molested try to have no one look at them by wearing long loose clothing and fading into the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    It is not completely impossible to connect such a dress style with sound personal values, but the cultural values attached to it in modern Western culture are hedonism and a generally negative attitude towards life. This justifies the assumption that those who dress that way might share such values, even though it is not true in every single case.
    I do realise there is a lot of truth in what you say, however I do think that there is actually a higher proportion of women who dress 'slutty' who also have sound moral than most people think, that is the case in my experience anyway; though I'm sure it may differ in different parts of the world where cultures affect fashion differently.

    I'd also like to add that whilst I'm pro any woman dressing provocatively because that's the style she likes, it breaks my heart when people do it because of insecurity/lack of self belief, those people need to realise they are attractive because of who they are not what they wear.

    As for burnitdown's comment - in my opinion you are wrong to not only generalise people who dress 'slutty' but also to show so little regard and understanding for people that have suffered abuse or rape and I agree wholeheartedly with ladybright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Rose View Post
    Perhaps cracking down is the wrong phrase, I only used it as a response to Ossi's original remark, and no I'm certainly not expecting political correctness, however I just feel that this thread is somewhat promoting the idea that its ok for people to class all women like me as prostitutes, when we most certainly are not, and when this idea gets promoted it leads to more abuse on the street and I don't think anyone, even if they were a real prostitute, deserves to have insults shouted at them wherever they go.
    Also whilst I have no probs with someone simply disliking how I dress, it just seems so hate filled and pointless to start a thread which does nothing but critise others for living their life the way they choose, if they were doing any harm I would understand, but they're not.
    Nobody was talking about "women like you" until you stepped in this thread and gave us details about your hotpants and tops. People were talking about teenagers and children and there was nothing hateful, it was concern.

    You have your freedom of choice but that comes with responsibility and maturity to accept that there will be consequences for your choices. Most people are not sound enough to realize that and live with it. Faggots have the freedom to be faggots, but they also expect everyone to embrace their choice and consider them normal. Prostitutes have the freedom to have sex for money, but they also expect everyone to embrace their choice and consider their services a "job like any other". Well you can't have them both. As long as you wear slutty clothes you'll be judged. Like it or not. If these clothes were decent they wouldn't be used in the porn and sex industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Nobody was talking about "women like you" until you stepped in this thread and gave us details about your hotpants and tops. People were talking about teenagers and children and there was nothing hateful, it was concern.

    You have your freedom of choice but that comes with responsibility and maturity to accept that there will be consequences for your choices. Most people are not sound enough to realize that and live with it. Faggots have the freedom to be faggots, but they also expect everyone to embrace their choice and consider them normal. Prostitutes have the freedom to have sex for money, but they also expect everyone to embrace their choice and consider their services a "job like any other". Well you can't have them both. As long as you wear slutty clothes you'll be judged. Like it or not. If these clothes were decent they wouldn't be used in the porn and sex industry.
    Well, it is about people like me as at 19 I'm still one of the teenagers you mentioned, albeit not for much longer, but when I was younger I dressed the same way and received the same sort of abuse that I do now, so I know exactly how the younger teenagers and children feel.
    You may say the remarks are made out of concern but it doesn't seem very helpful to me to compare young girls, who are probably just following a fashion style they like, to slut and whores.
    Please understand my comments are only made out of concern for these girls too, as having gone through it [eg. being spat at and been followed around by people shouting whore at 13yrs old, most often by grown women] I am just worried that people may feel it is ok to treat girls like this [I know no-one has said that it is] and I'm just trying to make sure people see things from young people point of view, I don't have any problem with people disliking the fashion or finding it distasteful.

    Anyway just because clothes are used in a porno it doesn't necessarily mean they are distasteful, after all men in pornos often wear relatively normal clothes - but that doesn't mean we class every man on the street wearing similar stuff as a gigalo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Suddenly comes this collection of young school girls in, perhaps nine or ten years of age
    9-10 years old is too young, as they are too young to be attracting male attention in the first place. For teens and women in their 20s, I don't see a problem, it is natural for them to make themselves as attractive as possible.
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    I have a couple of cents to add to this highly intriguing thread

    1 cent:

    One factor we should be taking into account, asides from modesty, and/or safety, is comfort.

    There are certain items of clothing that I avoid because they are highly uncomfortable and potentially dangerous to your health.

    e.g. High heels. Extremely uncomfortable and you run the constant risk of straining your ankle, falling, but also damaging your skeletal system due to extreme strain on the back, that results from weight shifting.

    Tight pants and jeans. Except from being uncomfotable, they favor the development of gynaecological conditions such as yeast infections and inflammations.
    The female genitals need space to 'breathe', and confinement in tight clothes can only have negative consequences for the reproductive system.

    Skin-tight tops and blouses, especially those that are synthetic. They cause skin rashes to those with sensitive skin (such as myself).

    Corsets and extra tight tops. To be worn only in special occassions, as they won't allow you to breathe properly.

    Push-up bras. Besides being highly uncomfortable, they literally ruin the natural shape of the breast. I stopped wearing them years ago, I go for soft material that gently embraces and holds the breasts instead of squashing them together.

    G-strings. Besides offering no protection whatsoever (as underwear should), they also irritate the tender area.

    You get the picture. I generally go for loose dresses worn with tights and flat boots, loose military-style pants worn with sneakers, and stuff like that. I gave away my platforms and high heels because I can't walk on them anymore. Comfort is everything to me.

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    As far as protection is concerned, I don't think it matters what you're wearing. I've personally been attacked twice (one was a really close call of getting raped), and both times I was wearing a long overcoat, scarf on my neck and knee-high boots. My face was the only naked part of me.
    Of course, dressing up like the Pussycat Dolls and going out in a not-so-safe area, you're kind of playing with fire. But in the end, if you're gonna get raped, it's not gonna matter to the rapist, what you're wearing.

    3 cents:

    While I dislike the current fashion trends and refuse to wear low cut jeans, 10cm long skirts and hot pants (I don't feel like I have the body to do that even if I wanted), I also dislike the idea of dressing like a nun.

    I like feminine items that flatter the female figure without overpronouncing it or revealing too much.
    I don't see anything wrong in wearing something moderately sexy (the dresses I posted earlier in this thread being an example).

    I also think that a golden rule for women is, accentuate only one thing at a time.

    If wearing a somewhat revealing top, wear something loose and long at the bottom.
    If wearing a short skirt, wear something less revealing on top.
    Revealing everything at the same time is aesthetically unappealling and slutty. My three cents.

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    How to avoid sexual harrasment and social disapproval.

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    I myself feel that the age of 13 is too young to be dressing so provocatively. I for one am concerned about young girls, who are still supposed to be under the supervision of their parents, dressing themselves to expose and advertise their goods. As long as you live under the roof of your parents, you should dress how they allow you to. And modern parents seem to be greatly lacking in common sense in protecting their young daughters. Not only their bodies, but their minds as well. Over-sexualization at too young of an age is not healthy. Girls should dress, and act their ages. Leave the revealing clothes until they grow up, and move out of the house if that's what they want. But, not when you're still a minor.

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