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    Hmmm I think politeness is necessary. I'd give up my seat for elderly, pregnant or sick people who need it mroe than I do, but I wouldn't expect someone to give up their seat to me for being a woman nor would I give my seat up for a woman if I were a man. As for opening doors, unless I have both my hands occupied, well, I can open them myself. If hands are both occupied I'd hold the door for a man, woman or child too, it's just politeness. I can also sit at the table by myself. So, I don't really need this "chivalry". Besides I believe men and women should have equal opportunities in society so we shouldn't be treated preferentially because of our gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MockTurtle View Post
    Bingo!

    Nowadays it is difficult to tell apart most of the women I encounter from men in terms of temperament. This isn't just the result of parental methods in childraising, it's also encouraged heavily in our education system. Plus, even if one does try to be "chivalrous" you run the risk of being called "sexist" or accused of "sexual harassment" and facing all sorts of painful litigation. Why bother?
    i was just going to mention that! some women in social settings seem to think a man is hitting on her if he is simply polite. and in turn are rude to the male. if i were a man i would be fed up too! mixed signals. both males and females seem to have lost their 'role' in society. we're evolving and it's great! women should be independent! however men should not be a stepping stool.. for having good upbringing. lets just hope that we'll pass on what our parents taught us. in hopes 'Chivalry' will not die!!! it's beautiful courtship..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    Generally I will get out of my seat for an elderly person. They always appreciate the gesture and I feel that they actually deserve some respect.Women can be quite snobbish and take chivalry in a bad way.

    Needless to say I think that almost every decent guy that I've encountered subtley displays some sort of chivalry. It's one of those things that make a man a man.

    Chivarly should never be expected.

    one way to get a womans attention..
    unexpected chivarly! knock her off her feet. lol and no don't tackle her..

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    It would be a mistake to put the onus of the decline of chivalry entirely on men. In short, if more women shunned rude bastards, there wouldn't be so many rude bastards.

    I wouldn't be so crass as to insinuate that chivalry comes with the understanding that women be ladylike, as a friend of mine did. In fact, I think women should be gallant as well - to children, the elderly, et cetera. The opportunities are all around you. Lead by example!

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    i think chivalry is a great idea, and should still be used more nowadays, but here in New Zealand i do not see even a hint of it here
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    In a multi-racial multi-cultural society. Chivalry and deference to elders and betters becomes strained. What if your courtesy towards a foreign woman is seen as in appropriate by a member of her ethnic group?

    Also, should you always give deference to elders and betters if they are not your elders and betters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalRose
    if i were a man i would be fed up too! mixed signals. both males and females seem to have lost their 'role' in society. we're evolving and it's great! women should be independent!
    Hmmm.. I'm not quite sure how to interpret this. Are you saying that males and females losing their respective roles is a 'great' evolutionary step? If that's what you're saying, I'm afraid that we definitely don't see eye to eye. Separate gender roles are what keep society functioning in a sane and healthy fashion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    Also, should you always give deference to elders and betters if they are not your elders and betters?
    Yes. Not holding the door open for an elderly person or a woman with a baby carriage because they are the wrong color crosses the line between being a preservationist and being a racist assh*le. We shouldn't act uncivilized, we're better than that. I believe in being nice to everyone until their attitude and behavior gives me a very good reason not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evolved View Post
    Yes. Not holding the door open for an elderly person or a woman with a baby carriage because they are the wrong color crosses the line between being a preservationist and being a racist assh*le. We shouldn't act uncivilized, we're better than that. I believe in being nice to everyone until their attitude and behavior gives me a very good reason not to.
    That is incorrect, because it makes them feel more welcome in our society and more likely to move here. Same deal with employing illegals just because they're cheaper. The government has a lot of blame for our immigration problem, but people that just say 'oh well' and welcome them here are also to blame.
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    Not only chivalry, but politeness in general. When I am about to enter or exist a building, I would equally hold the door for a man, wman, child or elderly whose hands are full.

    I can see the colossal difference at my University too. Some of the older or better educated professors address us with "Miss Surname" and use polite pronouns, the others don't do that. Then, it's even more obvious among the students. When a new person is introduced to a male group, it's usually something like "What's up homie" and when friends meet it's something like "How have you been, you son of a bitch?" Girls are "chicks", "bitches" or "whores" and many guys look at us as objects. My boyfriend actually is very polite and here it's the habit for a gentleman to let a lady pass through the door first ("Ladies first'). When he pulled out of the way for a girl to pass once, she screamed at him, "Hurry up inside, I haven't got all day, moron!"

    Unfortunately, I can see a big lack of politeness even among users of this forum which isn't good either in my opinion. Some people tend to insult each other because they disagree with their opinions. Even if this is an anonymous environment, I think chivalry and politeness should apply here too.

    As for whether we should apply it with other ethnicities and races, I think we should. Gypsies are very impolite and would never hold doors for us, and I don't think we should lower ourselves to the current level of socialisation that they adopted.

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