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    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    [FONT="Book Antiqua"] What are the best safes and locks for a gun? This part is very important to me with a 5 and a 1 year old.
    Ft. Knox, Liberty and Browning all make very well made fire resistant safes.

    For something smaller (like a pistol safe that you want to be fairly handy, but to still keep a child from gaining access to it) then Gun Vault pistol safes that pop open when you enter a code or use a key are very good and there are also Biometric Pistol Safes that open by placing your fingerprint on a scanner built into the safe.


    Gun Vault Pistol Safe

    What kind of home defense weapons do you prefer? Why? What would you recommend to a novice? Pistol, shotgun or rifle? Pistol grip or shoulder stock? Mossberg or Remington?
    For home defense I usually go with a Remington 1100 home defense semi-auto 12 shotgun (it's faster and there's less recoil which means that your follow up shots are faster) and for a pistol I usually go with a Browning High Power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    What kind of home defense weapons do you prefer? Why? What would you recommend to a novice? Pistol, shotgun or rifle? Pistol grip or shoulder stock? Mossberg or Remington?
    A good shotgun with a short barrel and a shoulder stock should do you fine, unless you don't really care for your property, then get an assault rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    What are the best safes and locks for a gun? This part is very important to me with a 5 and a 1 year old.
    put the weapon high up, like above a door or something, figure out how high your child's reach is and put it past that, or at least put a trigger-lock on the weapon and keep the weapon unloaded (with the ammunition somewhere where you can get to it, but the kid wouldn't look.)

    Quote Originally Posted by ladybright View Post
    Do you prefer something else like a nightstick or baseball bat?
    If you're expecting to meet the intruder in a hallway, don't use a baseball bat, it restricts your movements to vertical strikes only (unless you got a huge hallway.) Use something small like a knife or one of those billy clubs the cops used to use.

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    A good shotgun with a short barrel and a shoulder stock should do you fine, unless you don't really care for your property, then get an assault rifle.
    I think a shotgun with buckshot would have more spray damage. There are low penetration defensive rounds for military style rifles. They have the advantage of being more accurate when used with a red dot. This would be good in a situation where you do not want bystanders to get injured.

    Most of the the 223 soft points and hollows points are rated for a foot or less of penetration.
    All you ever wanted to know about 223. Links on the left.
    http://ammo.ar15.com/ammo/
    223 ballistic gelatin tests
    http://www.brassfetcher.com/223REM.html

    This 7.62x39 Glaser has low penetration.
    http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/prod...ducts_id=75335
    7.62x39 125 GR. JHP
    https://www.dakotaammo.net/shop/prod...83efd25770ff44


    A 308 110 grain hollow point is rated for 8-10 inches of penetration, which is less than most handgun service rounds.
    https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...sku=00147308R1
    http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/prod...ducts_id=74491

    High quality 223 ammo.
    http://www.black-hills.com/factoryNewR.htm
    http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=118191

    *Best choices for Self Defense Ammunition*
    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm

    There are a lot of knife laws in the US. For example, there is a 2.5" limit in Chicago and Boston. Billy Clubs and Brass Knuckles are illegal in many areas. Some areas even have restrictions on pepper spray. However, many truckers still have tire thumpers.
    http://www.knifelawsonline.com/knifehome/
    http://www.carryconcealed.net/legal/

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    My favorite home defense weapon is a German Shepherd from a good blood line with the proper training.

    Also in most cases home invaders do so in the cover of the dark, if the sound of dog or his teeth do not get rid of the problem something else will.

    I also would say a 12 gauge shotgun, the acoustics alone in the dark of some one cocking the gun is enough to get rid of most would be criminals.

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    When I carry a gun I carry a S&W model 19 with a 2 inch barrel. For home defense I have a 12ga. shotgun pump.
    I noticed someone said a AK-47 in my opinion a very poor rifle round. The AK was developed to be a cheap gun to be made in mass for 3rd world countries and the red army. The 7.62x39 works good in the short action of the AK type.

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    The shotgun. It packs the biggest punch and you can hold it steady with two hands, and are unlikely to miss.

    I would have a handgun also as backup. Handguns are short barrelled, high recoil, less powerful and more difficult to aim, so it would have to have a lazer sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Wodenson View Post
    My favorite home defense weapon is a German Shepherd from a good blood line with the proper training.

    Also in most cases home invaders do so in the cover of the dark, if the sound of dog or his teeth do not get rid of the problem something else will.
    Here in my state most home invasions/burglaries are in the daytime when the residents are at work. I agree that German Shepard, Akita or other mid-large well trained dog are excellent. I do not like pitt bulls,rottweilers and doberman pincers becaquse too any are unstable. I have heard that the ones bred in the UK and Germany are more balanced. Unfortunately we do not have the space to give one of these animals the space that they need for mental stability.
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    In addition to weapons and dogs, I believe self-defense training is of vital importance.

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    Whatever firearm one selects, I recommend a laser dot to be installed by a gun smith to go with it. Night intrusions are too disorienting to rely on front sights in the dark, especially when the only person in the scenario with their "night eyes" working is the invader. Another good choice is a high-power trigger operated spotlight and pistol combo.

    I prefer rounds with low penetration for indoor/close up use. Anything out in the yard will cause me to reach for a long gun and skip the pistols all together. Pistols are of limited use.

    If someone is only going to own one firearm, I say let it be a 12-gauge shotgun, with full stock.

    Always take it to the range until perfectly familiar with it. It is way easier to miss with a shot gun than folks let on. The shot pattern is usually a little smaller than your hand at home defense conflict range... plenty of room to miss. A lot of people act like you cant miss with a shotgun, but if you add darkness, confusion, fear, and inexperience I can almost promise you a miss every time.

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    I don't think there is a single best choice for all persons. I know there are good arguments for the high-capacity, semiautomatic carbine but legalities, social situations and economic considerations may push one toward the shotgun or pistol.

    More questions must be asked: how many and which members of the household might be forced to use it? Are there humans living above, below and directly to the side of you past thin walls? Is there a trend of multiple-criminal assaults or intrusions in your area? Are they high and wrapped in armor? How much are you willing to spend, time- and money-wise? Are you willing to pull that trigger on someone?

    The following suggestions assume the buyer lives in place where such weapons are legal...

    If you prefer a carbine, I recommend AR types and the humble M1 Carbine, with the Ruger Mini-14 as a runner-up. These are reliable and light in weight (and recoil). Exercise caution: there are many inferior AR and M1C copies out there. Naturally, the best examples will be costly.

    For shotguns, the 870 by Remington is the most encountered and loved pump-action, but be sure to gloss over the not so glossy, newer Express models and scour the used racks for an 870 Wingmaster or Police model. These have a better build quality and you'll be proud to own one. If you want a semiautomatic, I recommend the Benelli M1 Super 90. It's recoil-operated action is more reliable and less maitenance intensive than most gas-operated shotguns, and the M1s are less expensive and just as effective as the newer Benelli M2s and M4s. If you have the money and would like the absolute best, go for the M3 Convertible. It's the shotgun the SPAS-12 wishes it were.

    For handguns, stick to semiautomatics, unless you love revolvers, in which case it's best to pick a Ruger double action, as they are the most durable. For semiautomatics, GLOCK is king when all things are considered, but all HKs, older SIGs, and most Brownings and Berettas, in whatever flavor and size suits you, are acceptable.

    In general I think people will be happier and begin their shooting careers on a less stressful and much less expensive note if they stick to the most common calibers (12-gauge, 20-gauge, 5.56mm, 7.62x39, .308, 9mmx19, .45 ACP, .38 Special, .357, .22 LR).

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