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    Quote Originally Posted by Frigg View Post
    I don't know, I'm not Italian and I don't care what census forms say. Besides, there are terms like non-Hispanic white which only prove that this word (white) is vastly misused.
    Then why define people by it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frigg View Post
    Silly? : In America, white meant Anglo for a long time, it's not just a race, it's also a culture! Italians aren't white to many Americans!

    Do you realize that the English Americans didn't consider Germans to be "white" for a long time, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hussar View Post
    99% of whites in America are english speakers.

    ........and, Like it or not, dear Laura, IRISH and WELSH, they're "Celtic", and not "Germanic".

    So, if non-germanics like them are integrable, so other ethnicities too are integrable (logic and empiric reasonment, not personal opinion)
    So all that Viking settlement was just an illusion? eyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Do you realize that the English Americans didn't consider Germans to be "white" for a long time, too?
    Or Scandinavians. On the old Skadi I put up a letter in which Benjamin Franklin described them as "swarthy" folk. Perhaps because of their ability to tan well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SineNomine View Post
    Or Scandinavians. On the old Skadi I put up a letter in which Benjamin Franklin described them as "swarthy" folk. Perhaps because of their ability to tan well.
    Yes, I've read that letter, but is it authentic? Actually it was the Swedes who were included as "swarthy". Remember, what was once New Sweden was located in the vicinity of northern Delaware, not far from Philadelphia, were Benjamin Franklin spent most of his adult life. Many of the "Swedes" in New Sweden may have seem swarthy to Ben, but in reality most of the Swedish colonists were actually Palatine Germans or Walloons, not real Swedes. Maybe this is why Ben thought the Swedes were swarthy. Ben himself was from Boston, which in the 18th century was populated by blond English people of a predominately East Anglian background. I think what Benjamin Franklin really wanted was to restrict immigration to those who would assimilate easiest into the existing (late 18th century) Anglo-American population without altering the character of the American people. Which he why he favored the Saxons (Niedersachsens) along with the English as immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americ View Post
    Yes, I've read that letter, but is it authentic?
    It would seem to be.

    Actually it was the Swedes who were included as "swarthy".
    Correct. OEN had stated that it is perhaps because of Baltid admixtures that might've meant that Swedish colonists exhibited a "murkier" skin coloration. I thought it might be because of Nordid strains, which tan well. However, your explanation also would make sense IMO.

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    We Americans use it very much, but to us it means Anglo-Germanic people, not Italians or the like.
    Speak for yourself

    Any Anglo will tell you they prefer the Irish and Welsh to other ethnicities!
    No. It's all subjective

    Italians aren't white to many Americans!
    Maybe in 1880

    Besides, there are terms like non-Hispanic white which only prove that this word (white) is vastly misused.
    How does that prove it's 'misused'? There are several hispanic countries with the majority of the population being Caucasian. Places like Argentina and Uruguay are even more European than the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Places like Argentina and Uruguay are even more European than the US.
    I expect Mexico will soon fall into that category as they continue pushing their unwanted Mestizo population north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rassenpapst View Post
    The Founding Fathers did not intend that the US would become a Germanic nation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frigg View Post
    Silly? : In America, white meant Anglo for a long time, it's not just a race, it's also a culture! Italians aren't white to many Americans!
    Quote Originally Posted by mischak View Post
    Do you realize that the English Americans didn't consider Germans to be "white" for a long time, too?
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    Or Scandinavians. On the old Skadi I put up a letter in which Benjamin Franklin described them as "swarthy" folk. Perhaps because of their ability to tan well.
    I did so too, and I do it again.

    "Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased." (Benjamin Franklin, 'Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc.')
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    The Germanic and Celtic peoples did intermarry since ancient times. They were culturally very close and the Romans had a hard time tell them apart. So they were more compatible with each other than with other types. But anyway if you want to increase the Germanic presence in America its not just non-Europids that are excluded but also those from southern and eastern Europe. The 1920's immigration law was designed to favor immigration from Northern and Northwestern Europe. I also think requiring immigrants to be able to read/write and speak in English "before immigrating" would help this.
    Freedom in the Germanic sense means inward independence, the scope for research, the extension of knowledge, and true religious feeling. Freedom for near eastern hybrids and swarthy mongrels means unrestrained license to destroy other cultural values...To grant outward freedom to everyone without distinction is to deliver oneself over to racial chaos. Only freedom as a bond between racial kindred guarantees the highest development. ~Alfred Rosenberg

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