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    By Jonathan Marcus
    BBC defence correspondent


    In Moscow a senior US official has been setting out the Pentagon's plans to move a number of military bases in Europe eastwards.

    US Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman held talks with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Vladimir Chizhov.

    In military circles in Russia there is growing concern about such plans.

    The US stresses that such moves are intended to address wider global problems and are not directed against any country, least of all Russia.


    The US view is that the strategic map is changing dramatically and the disposition of US bases must change with it.

    During the Cold War US troops in Europe were largely based in Germany to defend against Soviet attack.


    After the collapse of communism, the US was left with an expensive and complex network of installations that seemed to have less and less to do with current military threats, emanating from the Caucasus or the Middle East.

    For some time now the Americans have been looking at moving key bases in Europe eastwards onto the territory of new or prospective members of Nato.

    The war in Afghanistan only served to accelerate this process.

    Poland - already a member of the alliance with impressive training areas - is one obvious candidate, but so, too, are Romania and Bulgaria who will become Nato members next year.

    None of this pleases the Russians who see Nato troops coming ever closer to their borders.

    They are alarmed that the Pentagon's gaze is now directed to places like the Black Sea and the Caucasus, traditionally Russia's strategic hinterland.

    There are really two sets of issues here.

    Moscow can complain vocally but it can hardly object to Nato countries hosting US facilities, if they wish to do so.

    However of perhaps greater concern is the informal network of US air bases and other facilities that have sprung up in Central Asia.

    Kyrgyzstan actually hosts both Russian and US bases whose aircraft are only minutes flying time away from each other.

    Moscow still hopes that once US-operations in Afghanistan are over US bases in the region will be withdrawn.

    But that could still be a very long time away.



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    *sigh* what else is new? The US is always trying to tell us that the Cold War is over and yet keep shoving it into Russia's face that they lost it. Even Pat Buchanan warns about this in his "A republic, not an Empire".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    The US is always trying to tell us that the Cold War is over and yet keep shoving it into Russia's face that they lost it.
    Who says it's over? Russia still has their nukes, don't they? ; )

    http://www.lo2.olsztyn.pl/historia/r...mn%20Rosji.mp3



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojvoda
    Who says it's over? Russia still has their nukes, don't they? ; )

    http://www.lo2.olsztyn.pl/historia/r...mn%20Rosji.mp3
    Yeah really. I guess US/UK are the only countries allowed to have WMDs. Apparently a superpower like the US with 30,000 nukes is less a threat to mankind than at most a regional power possesing one(Iraq).

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    Give a warm welcome to our new moderator

    Turbamulta is the new addition of Gens Romana's Staff. Therefore joining the previous members, so it is now composed by:


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    Post Re: Give a warm welcome to our new moderator

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    He's not a recent new addition to our group, I think it's to compensate your memory loss in view of Turbamulta's birthday.

    Do you deny these charges? DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION. Answer me now. (adapted quote from General Chang in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country ...and the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962)
    Ok ok, mea culpa. He is not a recent new addition, but he is a new addition.
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    "Europe must be become Spanish" (referred to Spanish's Weltanschauung not political domination )
    Miguel de Unamuno, basque writer.

    In Spanish: "Hay que españolizar Europa".

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    Hindus, Jews share bonds of faith

    This article was copied from "Hindus, Jews share bonds of Faith -- An
    interfaith gathering for Hanukkah" by Steve Brunsman, which appeared
    under the rubric "Religion and Ethics", The Houston Post, December 11
    1993.

    The ancient faiths of Hindu and Jew are not commonly linked, yet both
    pull at India-born artist Bentzion Ben Yosef Yakof, an Israeli
    immigrant who now lives in Houston.
    Yakov, born in Bombay, India, was raised in a big Jewish
    practising family. They regularly observed the eight-day Jewish
    festival of Hanukkah. They burned oil in colored glass bowls. His
    mother baked special cookies.
    Interestingly, the Hindu families in the neighbourhood showed
    up to celebrate too. "We are called the people of light", Yakov said.
    "Our family was known as the Oil Liighters. We would sing Hanukkah
    songs and the other people living in our neighbourhood would come by
    and join in. For the Indians, it was always good to be part of any
    festival."
    "We were respected. There was freedom. There was no conversion
    impulse in Jewish or Hindu life", he said.

    Yakov's family roots reach back 300 years. Like some Indian Jews, he
    considers his ties to his faith to be biblical, a solution to the 10
    "lost" tribes of Israel.

    The Hanukkah celebration, which opened here officially Wednesday,
    included an interfaith gathering. About 40 Hindus and Jews, including
    rabbis and Hindu priests, toured the special Hanukkah program, called
    the Great Hanukkah Adventure, at the Jewish Community Center - West
    Houston.
    Hanukkah commemorates the rededication of the Jerusalem Temple
    in 165 B.C. and the victory of the Maccabees over the Syrians. The
    temple had been profaned when an outside ruler, Antiochus IV, tried to
    force the Jews to make sacrifices to heathen deities.
    The festival is also linked to the miracle of oil when a
    one-day vial of oil burned for eight days in the rededicated Temple.
    Hanukkah candles are lit in succession each night on the symbolic
    candleholder called the menorah.
    The Jewish-Hindu Friendship Forum here is co-chaired by
    D.N.Srivastva and Nathan Wolkovitz. Both agreed that Hindus and Jews
    share cultural and faith bonds despite obvious differences.
    For example, Hindus and Jews do not try to convert people to
    believe in their religion. Historically, both faiths endured invasion
    from outside groups. Both religions have mystical sides.
    The two spokesmen even pointed to monotheism -- belief in a
    single deity -- as a shared outlook, although Hinduism is known in the
    West as polytheistic -- a faith of diverse deities.
    In Hindu philosophy, scholars said, belief in one omnipresent
    God, does not conflict with the Hindu pantheon of gods and goddesses.
    Hindus believe God "dwells in the heart of all beings", making the
    paths to God infinite.
    On the other hand, worship of multiple gods was immoral in
    Jewish life.
    "My goal is to bring Jews and Hindus togetther. These two
    faiths stand out as the only ones that don't believe in forced
    conversions. Jews all over the world were persecuted. In India, the
    Jews were accepte as equals" reported Srivastva. "They are one of us".

    "We both take religion and devotion very seriously. But we both don't
    believe the world has to practise our personal religion to reach
    divine grace", said Wolkovitz. "People like Ben Yakof have come out of
    India with Judaism intact and that speaks for itself".

    Yakof's Bombay is home today to an estimated 5000 Indian Jews.
    The oldest group there , the B'nai Israel of Bombay, includes members
    who claimed descent from the "lost" Israelite tribes that broke away
    from the kingdom of Judah after the death of Solomon.
    They were later "carried away into Assyria", the Old Testament
    records. Said Yakof, "We claim that we belong to the lost tribe of
    Benjamin".
    Yakof attended Hindu and Jewish schools in Bombay until age
    12. His family immigrated after World War II to Israel. He fought
    during the Six Day war in June 1967. Houston became his home in the
    1980's.
    In Bombay, Yakof's family attended the David Sassoon
    Synagogue, named for rich Indians known as the "Rothschilds of the
    east". Yakof said his parents were open-minded -- as he put it,
    "observant but cosmic". He was allowed to visit Christian churches and
    view fiery Hindu funerals.
    The signs of his Indian childhood appear in Yakof's unique
    form of self-taught art, based partly on the mystical Jewish tradition
    known as the Kabbalah.
    In his art often appear menorahs, Hebrew and Aramaic words and
    blessings, and Hindu-inspired living forms and "particles". The
    primary colors of India are his favorites.
    His work has been praised by a local Orthodox rabbi, and he
    has exhibited at a Houston corporation.

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    Post Re: Hindu-Jew Relations

    The only similarities of Hinduism and Judaism mentioned in that article are universal (ie "Both religions have mystical sides."!) or widespread concepts, and most religions were historically ethnic so thats why Hinduism and Judaism have no conversion impulse.

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