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    Do You Identify Cowardice As a Trait of Certain Ethnic Groups?

    Apart from cowardice being a characteristic that individuals can display, do you ever identify certain ethnic or racial groups as being mostly cowardly? By cowardice I mean a disinclination towards warfare and successive failures in wars and combat.

    First group that comes to my mind are negros. Aside from the disapproval of having to serve with them, whites principally objected to their presence in the combat arms due to their general inability to participate in modern warfare.

    After WWII, the Italians and French have acquired this reputation due to their tremendous failures, especially among Americans.

    The Arabs are another group, as one Indian General serving with the UN remarked, are better at doing parades than actual fighting.

    I guess Germanics can be safely left out of this coward reputation.

    What are your opinions?

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    I don't know how relevent this is to the question. Everyone has their predjudices. My view is that modern warfare makes bravery obsolete.
    Spartans had a big problem with archers. They thought it a cowards weapon. In Thucydides Pellopenesian War a Spartan detachment is cornered on a wooded island. After a siege of some time the cover is burned down. Athenian archers then began to pick off the Spartans with arrows. For a joke the Athenians offer them surrender terms - which the Spartans accept. They were later exhibited in Athens in cages. At the conclusion to the war the Spartans returned home but nothing was said of their surrender by their own people. It was understood that it would have been pointless to die to cowards weapons.
    Likewise a sniper or machine gunner can slaughter the best of men these days.

    Does bravery count for anything anymore? Better that the brave no longer fight and protect their genes. Its always the warriors that die and always the peasants that survive.

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    Ancient Germanics where not cowards in the slighest, but modern day ones are probably the biggest cowards in the world.

    Modern warfare cannot be put on the same par as ancient warfare in terms of bravery needed and to be coward free. Pushing a button blowing people up 100 miles away is not brave.

    I would say the Taliban and Iraqis have shown no cowardice going up against enemies who out weigh them in phenominal lengths in terms of weaponry and technology, Ok they use hit and run guerilla tactics but they sure are brave.
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    I think the French may just have pulled the shortest straw there.



    Try it yourself: Type "French military victories" and then press "I'm feeling lucky". At least it still worked a few months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    I don't know how relevent this is to the question. Everyone has their predjudices. My view is that modern warfare makes bravery obsolete.
    Spartans had a big problem with archers. They thought it a cowards weapon. In Thucydides Pellopenesian War a Spartan detachment is cornered on a wooded island. After a siege of some time the cover is burned down. Athenian archers then began to pick off the Spartans with arrows. For a joke the Athenians offer them surrender terms - which the Spartans accept. They were later exhibited in Athens in cages. At the conclusion to the war the Spartans returned home but nothing was said of their surrender by their own people. It was understood that it would have been pointless to die to cowards weapons.
    Likewise a sniper or machine gunner can slaughter the best of men these days.

    Does bravery count for anything anymore? Better that the brave no longer fight and protect their genes. Its always the warriors that die and always the peasants that survive.
    You raise a good point, however there are certain examples of sides with obvious advantages losing against much lesser foes. E.g. the Syrians against the Israelies, Libyans against Chadians, and Iraqis against Iranians etc.

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    Blacks.....Zulu's

    its really about the person in particular not an ethnic "thing"
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    Quote Originally Posted by theTasmanian View Post
    Blacks.....Zulu's

    its really about the person in particular not an ethnic "thing"
    Hrmm, certain Africans were recognized as being more "martial". BTW, AA's are primarily West African.

    To Sigurd:

    http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

    Probably a bit unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harl View Post
    Hrmm, certain Africans were recognized as being more "martial". BTW, AA's are primarily West African.

    To Sigurd:

    http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

    Probably a bit unfair.
    yes brave or stupid hmmm

    its probable why lots of the AA's got rounded up by their slightly more intelligent cousins and sold to the America's

    i cant really put a coward tag on anyone really......even the (hack spit) french
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    Negroes. They prefer to attack in packs or a lone one will go after a woman or small child, the elderly etc... Most Negroes are actually afraid of White people. Mexicans are even worse.

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    Is Cowardice a trait of certain ethnic groups ?

    NO ! Every ethnic group has its heroes and its cowards. Circumstances, far more than ethnicity, dictate which a man will be. Religious beliefs are significant also. The Beatitudes glorify meekness, humility, poverty of spirit (i.e. timidity), the "virtues" which make a good slave, not a soldier.

    Yet, even a slave can become a good soldier, 117 regiments and 20 companies of freed slaves served in the Union Army in the Civil War. These men enlisted in the Union Army, whereas, the white soldiers who entered the fray after March 3, 1863 were mostly conscripted. Altogether, 190,000 black soldiers and sailors, mostly former slaves, served in the Union forces in the Civil War.

    Individual Frenchmen have shown themselves valourous in all of the wars which France has lost. Unfortunately, they were were conspicuous by their scarcity in the high command. The Italians were, by-and-large, not commited to participation in either of the World Wars. Neither time was it of any advantage to them, and they lacked enthusiasm for it.

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