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    AW: Re: AW: Re: Evolutionary Psychology: Male Mate Preferences

    Quote Originally Posted by OneFakeSaxon View Post
    Agrippa,

    do you have a generalised scheme for schizothymic versus zyklothymic within races (like you did with a map of racial groups).

    I mean, are all Europeans tending towards one way and Africans the other, or do you identify considerable differences within Europe itself.
    On that the differences inside of the (major-) races are bigger than between.

    F.e. in Europids a strong schizothymic tendency would be present in:
    Nordid, Atlantomediterranid, Iranid, Nordindid

    A stronger zyklothymic tendency in:
    Alpinoid, Baltid

    In Mongolids:
    Nordsinid schizothymic, Palaungid zyklothymic.

    In Negrids:
    Nilotid schizothymic, Palaenegrid more zyklothymic.

    One can see its a correlation between average body type, growth pattern = more leptomorphic = schizothymic, more pyknomorphic = zyklothymic.

    Usually the dominant and in relation more progressive forms are more schizothymic, the subdominant and more reduced zyklothymic, with the large framed types being rather in between, the Athletic-mesomorphic rather slow pace schizothymes-viscoese people. Just compare with the threads.

    The (major-) race differences come rather from intelligence, sexual type (Negrids most, Mongolids least masculine), affective control and other more specifically racial tendencies. If comparing a Nordid with a Nordsinid culture and both with an Alpinid and Palaungid one, you can see differences and similarities between the two schizothymic high-cultural poles as well as between the major racial unities. Its like it is with the sex differences, it runs across. So the typical Nordid and Nordsinid are schizothymic in their way.

    A more popular article, but still interesting to read would be this:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=37644

    Within the field of animal breeding acknowledgments of this kind are natural. When crossing horses no breeder would be guided by the absurd idea of combining, for example, the rough skeletal structure of the heavy cold-blooded race with the nervous temperament of the thoroughbred race. These two things cannot be separated.
    The same pattern can be roughly observed in humans if comparing inside of the rather schizothymic spectrum very mesomorphic vs. leptomorphic types. The one is more resistant and steady, but at the same time slower and less energetic, whereas the other is more nervous, strained, but reacts faster, is more creative and flexible. Both are rather controlled, reserved to a certain degree, whereas the typical zyklothymic is more between moods, between being happy or sad, often more careless, open and relaxed - stress is being directly converted in actions, often before thinking about it carefully enough.

    This are influences which go parallel on body and psyche, because its about growth patterns, hormones and nervous system. Typical is that the refined variants are more often sensitive, have if usually only a reactive depression and tend towards neuroticism, whereas the typical pyknomorphic variants have more often endogenous depressions (compare manic-depressive/bipolar disorders and obese, Pyknic body build).
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    Sv: AW: Re: Evolutionary Psychology: Male Mate Preferences

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    A good example would be the MBTI again, the more extreme males would be more often IxTx, the females more often IxFx. They would be more personal-social, more often sensitive in a personal way, f.e. quite often in animal rights groups and things like that if they had no rational education and are hyper-sensitive. Males would rather be more reclusive, caring for specific hobbies, fantasy worlds ("nerd syndrome") and if being active in any groups, they would be more dogmatic and less caring (if comparing with the female counterpart), even though they would be (extreme-hyper-sensitive cases) very sensitive.
    Typical for the schizothymic male and female Idealism is that the males think for the cause first, for the individual cases second, for the females it might be more often the opposite, so its more typical for them being active for animals, children, olds, family values, foreigners etc. for their individual well being,
    Just to give an impression of the most extreme ones, hypersensitive schizothymes.
    If this was to be applied on my home country Sweden it would mean that the political climate here is very much "feminised". Would you dare to guess the make up (percentages) of these different personality types in a northern European country, Sweden for example?

    Quite obviously the masses are, to a large degree, mesomorph in constitution and are closer to the zyklothymic spectrum rather than the schizothymic such. And then there are smaller numbers of extreme zyklothymes, as well as schizothymes. This would mean that the ruling liberal-socialistic ideology has the people in a very strong grip as long as they keep the zyklothymes happy, materialism and emotional-wise, as well as unexposed to too much of personal uncomforts. It makes sense and is logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriotpatrik View Post
    If this was to be applied on my home country Sweden it would mean that the political climate here is very much "feminised".
    Scandinavia is now totally feminised of course.

    Would you dare to guess the make up (percentages) of these different personality types in a northern European country, Sweden for example?
    Very hard, but I assume if going after the averages for different groups that rather schizothymic personalities should be above 40 percent in Sweden.

    Quite obviously the masses are, to a large degree, mesomorph in constitution and are closer to the zyklothymic spectrum rather than the schizothymic such.
    Lets put it that way, clearly schizothymic, especially the sensitive extreme, is a minority, but rather schizothymic is in most countries of the world the majority and in Northern Europe in particular. If putting all moderate classic schizothymic and viscoes (slower, higher perseveration etc.) people together they should be in Sweden 75 percent+.

    However, we dont deal with typical or extreme, but mostly "mixed" people, which are just closer to the schizothymic than to the zyklothymic pole on a scale without being extreme in any way.

    And then there are smaller numbers of extreme zyklothymes, as well as schizothymes.
    Exactly. In the North though extreme zyklothymes should occur, especially in the most Nordid regions, less often. Would be interesting to see studies about manic-depressives in the most Skandonordid regions (Eastern Norway, Western Sweden).

    This would mean that the ruling liberal-socialistic ideology has the people in a very strong grip as long as they keep the zyklothymes happy, materialism and emotional-wise, as well as unexposed to too much of personal uncomforts.
    Thats right, this "emotional centre" (of non-typical individuals and zyklothymes) is easy to control, since they dont have too much demands nor Idealism, they are the "wavy herd".

    However, male schizothymes, especially the more intelligent, energetic and potentially idealistic ones are not that common in mainstream policy NOW. In these days they mostly observe policy, with its "correctness", strange emotions and ridiculous, mostly feminised gestures. They have usually personal life plans, want to be successful "in business", science, personal social field or sport etc. They are the backbone of this society even, since they go with a certain performance, Idealism and personal involvement in all kinds of fields. As long as the system allows them to do so, they are often even less critical than the zyklothymes are, which mock all the time without having any concept or real idea about whats going on and being finally too easygoing to even risk a serious change.
    The greatest risk for a revolution comes in every society from young schizothymic males which have at least a certain minimal intelligence and education. Once they are not satisfied any more, they taking over the leadership in all fields of society, even if there might be some hypomanic preachers under them which can be of great importance, and begin to make enormous pressure which results in mass movements in which the more average people being carried away - since it was fermenting in the centre too already, just the concept, true will and fanatism was lacking. The typical higher level schizothymic is thinking more about what he wants in life and what he considers "correct" or "corrupted" than the average. But still most are mainstream (even if in a specific subculture, professional field etc.) as long as the parameters are "ok" for them. Every society must try "to please them", because they are needed by and at the same time the threat for the current upper class.

    So one ccould say, as long as these schizothymic males are satisfied in their personal fields and can live with a certain, even lame, irrational or corrupted, Idealism their daily life, they might be calm, but as soon as this isnt guaranteed any more, f.e. a lot of well educated males of this category being without a job, women and perspective, it might get ugly for the establishment very fast. Thats true from Chinese farmers in uprisings from antiquity, peasant uprisings in Germany, French revolution to better organised and more intelligent workers practising red revolutions to Fascist or Islamist movements around the world.
    They are the base of more radical political movements and once they reach a critical mass by numbers and power, they can change the whole society in a very short period of time.
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    Sv: Evolutionary Psychology: Male Mate Preferences

    Lets put it that way, clearly schizothymic, especially the sensitive extreme, is a minority, but rather schizothymic is in most countries of the world the majority and in Northern Europe in particular. If putting all moderate classic schizothymic and viscoes (slower, higher perseveration etc.) people together they should be in Sweden 70 percent+.

    However, we dont deal with typical or extreme, but mostly "mixed" people, which are just closer to the schizothymic than to the zyklothymic pole on a scale without being extreme in any way.
    Yeah i tend to focus too much on the extremes. I should instead think of it as a horizontal bar with a large part in the middle being moderate schizothymes and zyklothymes with an overweight for schizothymes, then a smaller part on each side of the larger part being typical schizothymes and zyklothymes, and finally on both edges of the bar a thin part consisting of the extremes of both kinds.

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    Re: Evolutionary Psychology: Male Mate Preferences

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