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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Any good reason to believe that Europeans/Germanics are less *evolved* than other races/meta-ethnicities? Examples: Afro-Americans identifying with Obama, the primacy of meta-ethnic tribal identity among Amerindians and Jews.
    Identity is always hierarchical, from the smallest unit to the largest. Afro-Americans might identify with Obama, but they are first and foremost defined through their ghetto/projects/hoods, the mere identification with a larger unit does not prove my point wrong, that the first degree of identification is a smaller unit.
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    Surely it would be too boring for me to say "Britain" (though that is the answer - English foremost, but the Scottish and Welsh have a definite place in my heart).

    For fun, I'll choose a country other than my own - Germany. Although my Mother's Dutch, and I've spent a lot more time in the Netherlands, for some reason I've always felt comfortable in Germany. I don't speak a second language but German has always come quite quickly to me and I've visited most of the major cities of the country. Additionally, of my foreign friends, the majority are German. We tend to get along quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J�ger View Post
    Identity is always hierarchical, from the smallest unit to the largest. Afro-Americans might identify with Obama, but they are first and foremost defined through their ghetto/projects/hoods
    Afro-American tribal identity is predominantly racial. Its accentuation is therefore *meta-ethnic*, not territorial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Identity is always hierarchical, from the smallest unit to the largest. Afro-Americans might identify with Obama, but they are first and foremost defined through their ghetto/projects/hoods, the mere identification with a larger unit does not prove my point wrong, that the first degree of identification is a smaller unit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Afro-American tribal identity is predominantly racial. Its accentuation is therefore *meta-ethnic*, not territorial.
    It is very racial-they'd never support a puerto rican or a white from their area against a black from another area. They are very territorial against eachother though, East Side vs West Side, Chi-town vs the Dirty South.

    Also, in the identity hierarchy, in black society 'location' seems to take the place of 'family', especially extended family. How the hell are you supposed to even know who your 'second cousin' is, when you don't even know where your dad is. Screw it, they're all in jail, just become a member of the 24th St Thugbois instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Afro-American tribal identity is predominantly racial. Its accentuation is therefore *meta-ethnic*, not territorial.
    You still fail to prove my point wrong. Even if it is racial, it says nothing about any absence of a hierarchy, do you doubt that a nigger will prefer a nigger from his gang to another nigger from 1,200km away?
    I don't doubt that they have a racial identity, I doubt it is there first identity and that they even could use it as such.
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    Celto-Germanic population in Scotland and Central Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    You still fail to prove my point wrong.
    What makes you think I need to prove your point wrong? Your claim that Afro-Americans *are first and foremost defined through their ghetto/projects/hoods*, and that *the first degree of identification is a smaller unit*, remains unsubstantiated. I see no good reason to invest time and energy disproving unsubstantiated claims. Your reference to evolutionary history is not convincing. Neither is your attempted distinction between loyalty and identity/identification. Humans have gradually evolved towards larger groups and identities (sub-tribes into tribes, tribes into nations, and national identities are likely to develop further in a meta-tribal direction).

    In 1910, about 90 percent of African Americans lived in the South. From 1916 through the 1960s, more than 6 million black people moved north. In the 1970s and 1980s, that trend reversed, with more African Americans moving south to the Sun Belt than leaving it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

    The Afro-American tribe is nomadic and territorial identity seems to be outranked by their meta-tribal and racial affiliation. Their African ancestors primarily identified themselves by tribe or ethnicity, not race. But when Africans were brought to the Americas they were forced to give up their ethnic affiliations, and intermingled with other Africans from different ethnic groups. A new identity and culture was born that incorporated elements of the various tribal groups. This new identity was now based on race, meta-tribalism and African ancestry rather than any one tribal group. Obama primarily identifies with his Afro-American tribesmen, not with the Luo tribe in Kenya. His identity is racial and meta-tribal, not local, not territorial, not ethnic or sub-tribal.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

    As for the aforementioned Amerindians: census enumerations compared with tribal enrollment data illustrate that a large proportion of those identifying as *Native American* in the census are not enrolled in Native American tribes, indicating the primacy of meta-tribal identity among Amerindians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    What makes you think I need to prove your point wrong?
    What makes you think I would think that? You certainly don't need to do so, unless you want to convince me that you are right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Your reference to evolutionary history is not convincing. Neither is your attempted distinction between loyalty and identity/identification.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Humans have gradually evolved towards larger groups and identities (sub-tribes into tribes, tribes into nations, and national identities are likely to develop further in a meta-tribal direction).
    And still we have people in our countries who call themselves after their city, or city district, village, or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Their African ancestors primarily identified themselves by tribe or ethnicity, not race. But when Africans were brought to the Americas they were forced to give up their ethnic affiliations, and intermingled with other Africans from different ethnic groups. A new identity and culture was born that incorporated elements of the various tribal groups. This new identity was now based on race, meta-tribalism and African ancestry rather than any one tribal group. Obama primarily identifies with his Afro-American tribesmen, not with the Luo tribe in Kenya. His identity is racial and meta-tribal, not local, not territorial, not ethnic or sub-tribal.
    Do you think he holds any identification from his family?
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    Deep question..
    Well, the flat out Germanic people I feel the most kinship with are the English and the Germans themselves.Awesome people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    You still fail to prove my point wrong. Even if it is racial, it says nothing about any absence of a hierarchy, do you doubt that a nigger will prefer a nigger from his gang to another nigger from 1,200km away?
    The gang may be further up in the hierarchy than general race, but the gang is almost certainly an all-black one, and a black will prefer another black from 1200 miles away to a non-black living next door. In this, they are not too different than any other race.

    If anything, Germanics seem more likely than any other race to put location above race in their identity hierarchy, often displayed through support for local sports teams.
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