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Thread: Council Disregard Objections of 3,000 Residents to Traveller Site As ‘They Are Racist’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    It seems not all English people are as tolerant and as pro-Gypsy as BeornWulfWer.



    http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/story...rycode=6502752

    Their "kin":
    Three of the five are visibly non-English.

    It may be true that Irish travellers are of indigenous stock (although this is disputed; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Traveller#Origins), but Gypsy populations in Britain have been augmented by relatively recent waves of Romani immigration, which has created a hybridised people.

    Some more British Gypsies, who are obviously of foreign stock:




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    Quote Originally Posted by BeornWulfWer View Post
    Words fail me as to how you think that shows that others are intolerant of Gypsies.
    Did you read the quote from the article? It said 90 % of applications for Gypsy sites are turned down because the residents would be angry otherwise. Damn, it must be so racist everywhere.

    As for the picture, was that supposed to be relevant?
    You said Gypsies are the genetic kin of the English. These people obviously look like they have foreign admixture.

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    I'm wondering a thing. If the Gypsies are native British, why is the Race Equality Foundation involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimWheat View Post
    Three of the five are visibly non-English.



    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Did you read the quote from the article? It said 90 % of applications for Gypsy sites are turned down because the residents would be angry otherwise. Damn, it must be so racist everywhere.
    I read from the article, and it still proves nothing! I'm not quite sure what it is you are reading when you see that sentence.

    Applications are denied through a fear of a minority? I dunno.


    You said Gypsies are the genetic kin of the English. These people obviously look like they have foreign admixture.


    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    I'm wondering a thing. If the Gypsies are native British, why is the Race Equality Foundation involved?
    They have one for all "races". It wouldn't necessarily denote a "difference" in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimWheat View Post
    Three of the five are visibly non-English.
    Really? There are plenty of ugly and odd looking people around, you know, of fully English stock. As for the low level of culture and sophistication seen in the photo, I'm afraid altogether too many members of my very own English family could easily give these Gypos a run for their money....
    It may be true that Irish travellers are of indigenous stock (although this is disputed; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Traveller#Origins), but Gypsy populations in Britain have been augmented by relatively recent waves of Romani immigration, which has created a hybridised people.
    I seriously doubt that the two have merged in any meaningful sense. If the old lot had any sense about them, they'd probably resent the Balkan lot pushing in onto their patch. I would love to hear some actual facts about this, though, as I fear we're both talking with mere assumptions here.
    Perhaps the two (three? Half a dozen?) types occupy different 'adaptive niches' and thus don't really come into contact, bad or good. The new lot from Rumania and Slovakia and so on are heavily into begging. I've never seen the older 'local' type do this. 'Ours' are more into running peripatetic fairgrounds, towing the mobile rides, carousals and roundabouts around the country. They are also involved in scrap metal, and have frequently robbed property in my family's possession to get at old furniture and copper wire, and lead off rooves. I suppose Beorn has had less exposure to this side of their behaviour.
    Some more British Gypsies, who are obviously of foreign stock:
    I don't see it really.
    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    I'm wondering a thing. If the Gypsies are native British, why is the Race Equality Foundation involved?
    'Race' is just a code word for 'victim group', or rather 'officially recognised victim group'. Everyone is queuing up now to be a 'victim', such is the nature of the Victim Society. Do-gooders thrive on being able to fawn on a 'maligned minority' and condemn the wider folk community for stigmatising them. If you offer these hypocritical fools a new groups to worry about they'll snap it up. By the same logic, true English people get the special treatment (almost worship) if they can demonstrate a past in which the majority have 'persecuted them', and that's why you see the present rage for homosexual rights.

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    I think I found a solution for the Gypsy problem. Call the racial equality council to write it down. I propose for their camp to be set up in BeornWulfWer's back yard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    'Ours' are more into running peripatetic fairgrounds, towing the mobile rides, carousals and roundabouts around the country. They are also involved in scrap metal, and have frequently robbed property in my family's possession to get at old furniture and copper wire, and lead off rooves.
    Ta-da! "our" Gypsies! Not the foreign lot.

    I suppose Beorn has had less exposure to this side of their behaviour.
    Hey, cheeky, I have had my run ins with Gypsies. Most of my life, in fact.

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    Besides, working on construction sites gives you ample opportunity to "accidently" carry rolls of lead and copper to scrap yards on a Friday with mates for beer money.
    After the war, the Gypsies made good money out of fine upstanding English boys scavenging for scrap lead to feed their families.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    I think I found a solution for the Gypsy problem. Call the racial equality council to write it down. I propose for their camp to be set up in BeornWulfWer's back yard.

    They will be warmly welcomed by the settled Irish Tanner Gypsies already here.

    Perhaps they may make the council think twice about bulldozing the grassland to build a motorway
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    And once more, Ossi saves the day by a well-timed application of sarcasm/cynicism/sardonicism. Kudos also to BeornWulfWer in taking such application of humour in excellent terms, supporting such a grande motion.

    Perhaps they may make the council think twice about bulldozing the grassland to build a motorway
    Indeed, maybe there's something yet to be gained about having a bunch of travelling folk in your backyard: It may save your back yard from suffering the fate of the village of Schönberg im Stubaital (sorry, link in German), currently notorious for being the only rural village in Austria that is surrounded on three sides by a motorway (the only other community that fulfils that being Vienna as the capital).

    Offer your plans to the council, and you'll be saving 3,000 concerned English folk a lot of hassle and pain. You'll also be heralded as a hero by the natural preservationists for maintaining a motorway-free Somerset. Excellent motion, mate, and a exemplary exhibition of true Germanic hospitality. Glad you see some sense on this and offer to accomodate a solution with which everyone is happy.
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    I was nearly serious though. All the do-gooders and multiculti preachers would do us massive favors if they housed all the foreigners instead of force-feeding them to nationalists.
    Last edited by Siebenbürgerin; Monday, February 2nd, 2009 at 03:00 PM. Reason: Removing personal rants and provocations

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