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    In Praise of Italians

    Much of the remaining white population of Philadelphia is actually Italian. They can seem foreign. In their tastes for gardening with plastic flowers and for public displays of emotion, they are closer to blacks than to Germanics. Their tendency towards wild swings from extremes of wifebeaters and haircurlers to tuxedos, dresses, and limousines is just as strange. Yet, they managed to dig in and hold on to many of their neighborhoods while other whites fled the city.

    The Italian Market evokes European open air clusters of fruit stands and small butcher shops. Many of the hawkers are now Vietnamese or Mexican, but at one end of the market, Geno's cheese-steak stand is notorious for its rebel flags and its sign demanding that customers order in English even if its owner's slang-studded dialect may not necessarily qualify. At the other end of the market is Christian Street, named after Queen Christina from Sweden's half-hearted effort to rule this area.

    While too many Germanics have lost our folk culture and pride in our heritage, the Italians maintain traditions that evoke the best of peasant life. In Philly that is especially apparent around New Years. New Years Eve I attended a party in deep South Philly. At midnight, neighbor hauled out their Christmas trees and built furtive bonfires at the intersections. I looked up and down the streets in each direction and saw bonfires or fireworks at each one as far as I could see. They cleaned up fast afterwards as the cops were supposed to clamp down on these practices.

    The next day was Philly's famous Mummers Parade. Think Fred Flintstone in drag multiplied by a few thousand. Supposedly, it is a tradition that dates back to the Swedish settlers in which men would dress in their wives' clothing to scare off evil spirits. I've asked a few Swedes about it; none recognized any such custom.

    The overall spirit evokes Mardi Gras. Contingents in the parade were dressed outlandishly and staggered or strutted down Broad Street playing music or performing skits, many of which were refreshingly politically incorrect what with the crudest of ethnic stereotypes. Several celebrated the victory of the Phillies in the World Series, others mocked the bailouts as they passed out monopoly money to the cheering crowds. The audience itself included characters who unselfconsciously seemed to walk out of some mob movie with their cigars and greased-back pompadours.

    It is a carnival in the old sense of a day where such basic laws as those on the drinking age and open containers are ignored, resulting in rivers of drunken, chainsmoking teenagers from South Jersey. In the chaos, one performer keeled over of a heart attack in front of the main reviewing stand. After the main parade, the contingents returned to their clubhouses in a drunken, disorderly approximation of the parade down Two Street, a narrow, almost medieval alley between rowhouses. Sporadic fights broke out. It was not entirely an Italian affair: there were noticeable pluralities of Irish and Poles.

    In comparison with this folk carnival, my efforts at reviving Germanic celebrations feel artificial and forced. Until we re-awaken our folk, I have to vicariously look to the Italians to show what folkishness could be.
    The sitters in the hall seldom know
    The kin of the new-comer:
    The best man is marred by faults,
    The worst is not without worth.
    -- The Havamal, #133 (trans. Auden and Taylor)

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    One thing few people realize: The Italian "mafia" culture is basically the same as old Germanic tribalism and is based on old Italian (Aryan) traditions. That is a family based society where people rule themselves. The highest authority comes from your own family not the government and the community is policed thusly. It isn't about crime. If you notice the meetings of the heads of family is basically the same as the Allthing meeting in Iceland where clan leaders met to govern the island.

    This method of organization exists because you can't trust the government to look out for your interest. So you rely on your family (which is really a tribe). One of the main reasons the government goes after these groups is because they compete for authority with the government- not because of crime. They used to arrest mobsters for selling lottery tickets and give them long jail terms, now the U.S. government sells lottery tickets! Similar with alcohol and such. Some families though are in business and other ventures and very successful though the modern world is tearing apart the old organizational structure.

    I think Italians and Jews are more adapted at large urban environments and transient populations. They have evolved for thousands of years in it- with italians having one of the oldest civilizations. Nordics/northern europeans aren't quite as well adapted yet and many of them will probably thus fade away and a new genetic bottleneck will have to breed a more adapted Nordic for the twentieth century.

    This is the only case where I've considered race mixing to maybe even be neccessary for our survival: Nordics are not adapted. There needs to be more of a racial instinct bred into the Nordic soul which isn't there. Also a better instinct for dealing with people in a modern environment. East Asians, Meds, and Jews seem far superior at this.

    I was recently discussing this with a folkish friend of mine who we want to build a community together. How like for instance these Vietnamese people I knew has such a close knit family and who were very racialists, but in a way which was not hate based or rude or anything, but polite and kind to others, but respecting their own heritage (though they mixed with whites). I know most white families are very divided. It's like they don't care about the well being of one another and don't work together and even worse they are more likely to help a foriegner or stranger than their own people/family half the time. Likewise Nordics are very gullible. Very easily manipulated and such in a way that isn't so much true for an Italian or Jew. So I don't know how we can breed more of that into us but it will be needed for us to survive! Obviously we need an 'evolution' of our people partly to undue a thousand years of genetic change under Christianity. We need some hard core eugenics programs and possibly even throw a few meds or something into our bloodline and try to breed out the unwanted traits and breed in the racial loyalty and people ability. Actually even slavs seem to have closer families and more race loyalty (just look at how their nation has resisted), though not as much as meds, Jews and East Asians.

    Though with meds and jews particularly they seem to instinctively look out for their own racial preservation exept when it comes to sex. The men especially whenever give the chance to bang a hot girl of another folk, not all, but most will take it, which I find counter productive. But at any rate its leaps and bounds better than the self hating Germanics.

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    Family is definitely a factor for the Italians. They still do things like eating dinner together...strange.

    I eat dinner with my family all at one table maybe twice a year, but then again my family may be a special case.

    Italians have been thrown into a special category into the "White" vs "non-White" US society. They certainly aren't non-White, for the most part, but they are definitely not your average Joe, red-blooded American type either. So actually they get the benefit of the doubt for still being European and they have retained a lot of their folkish, tribal identity too.

    Again, family ties are strong with Italians. That is probably most important. Also, they have no problem with being openly Italian and pointing out others who are Italian too. They associate themselves with Italians. I can bring an Italian friend to meet another Italian friend and next thing you know they are asking what each others' last names are and where their great grandparents and so on came from. "I'm Napolitano and blah blah blah". On the other hand, try saying to somebody "Yeah man, I'm English too!'. It tends not to have the same impact in our society...something that should change obviously. Germanics are seen as "the norm".

    @ rainman, I definitely don't agree that we need to breed with any amount of Mediterranean peoples or others as a necessity. Good luck trying to breed in tribal loyalty from Med people while simultaneously breeding outside of your tribe...just seems counter-productive to me. Trust me, Germanics were incredibly loyal to their kinfolk at one point in the not so distant past. If that were not the case, most Americans, Canadians, etc would have a ton of African and Indian blood. Think of all that WASP culture that used to be omnipresent. That was the tribal loyalty of our people and it is what has been steadily deconstructed (to use the lingo) since the 50's and 60's.

    Another note, America does have a ton of Italians. Most of them are slammed into the Northeast though. 17.8 million people claim they are Italian American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    This is the only case where I've considered race mixing to maybe even be neccessary for our survival: Nordics are not adapted. There needs to be more of a racial instinct bred into the Nordic soul which isn't there. Also a better instinct for dealing with people in a modern environment. East Asians, Meds, and Jews seem far superior at this.
    ..........
    So I don't know how we can breed more of that into us but it will be needed for us to survive! .... We need some hard core eugenics programs and possibly even throw a few meds or something into our bloodline...
    Rather than suggest, say, educating Germanics about their culture and people or having them move away from the urban hellholes to which they are so unfit, I can't believe you are actually promoting miscegenation. Downbreeding and polluting our genes does not equal survival and no person that truly respects their heritage would ever race mix. A lot of the breakdown of our family ties and racial and cultural awareness is a rather recent development and yet you are very quick to suggest mating with Meds (and, from what it looks like, Jews and Asians too). Their physical characteristics would easily dominate over ours, and because of that, the offspring of such unions would likely feel more akin to their swarthier forebears as is the case with the majority of half-breeds. Not to mention, I really see nothing favorable about inheriting their egoistic, hot-headed, flamboyant, and irrational attitudes. It's a lose-lose situation. I'm sorry to be so frank, but all you have written here strikes me as very anti-Germanic/anti-preservationist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    Italians have been thrown into a special category into the "White" vs "non-White" US society. They certainly aren't non-White, for the most part, but they are definitely not your average Joe, red-blooded American type either. So actually they get the benefit of the doubt for still being European and they have retained a lot of their folkish, tribal identity too.
    Northwestern Europeans need to stop considering them as white. It's when we broadened the definition of that term to include them that our kind have felt more free to mix with them.

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    Need I say more.

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    The Germanic peoples are just so disorientated by the influx of aliens. They have never had to contend with invasion in their evolutionary history. Nor betrayal by their nominal leaders or an entrenched cryptocracy.
    The Germanic instinct is just to move away.
    Studies done in the 19th Century discovered Nordics hate living in towns and wereas most urban English were of an Irish/ welsh/ old meditteranid type the countryside remained primarily Nordic.
    At the other extreme Boer farmers felt someone was hemming them in if someone settled 20 miles away.
    At present 300,000 British are emigrating every year to Australia to get away from the new dark immigrants.
    Lots of the Southern English are moving to Northern France. House prices are cheap there and the French just want to live in towns. It bodes well for the future of France if its nordic element is strengthened.
    Germanics just need to keep on the move until they gain some genetic consciousness. When that does happen I'm sure we can sort things out rapidly.

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    The same form of "tribalism", which mostly maifest in criminal organizations, can be seen by most Middel-Easterners as well.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Demographic crisis: maybe there's a lot of typical self hating whites in italy. Seems to be less of them. I've met some that moved to East Europe to escape it. Maybe its pressure from the EU, USA etc. just like the keep pressuring japan to load up on immigrants. I couldn't envision the typical Italian family bending over backwards to accomodate foriegners like I see typical northern Europeans doing though. In fact slavs won't either on average even though their government has been trying with a lot of pressure from the outside and Jewish groups internally.


    Exactly the "tribalism" can be seen in every race on earth exept North-west Europeans. No, I don't like to make exuses for people. White society held together because of laws and social norms dictated by the top of society. your average joe didn't race mix because he was afraid of what others would say or the national law didn't allow it. Maybe 2,000 years ago before x-ianity the race was healthy. Most whites are pansies. They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, they will do whatever is socially acceptable even if that means killing their own family. They are well bred peasants and slaves but not very good at leading themselves. The majority of Germanics would destroy the whole Germanic race if they had the chance. Why? because they are "disoriented"? Then you have the criminal element of white society. They too don't care about their own families or people but are racist out of selfish motives. There's something inwardly sick with most of those people. A folk who has no will to exist on this earth doesn't deserve to exist.

    Well for typical whites anyway its either find some way to change or die out as a unique people on the earth. Intersting even our oft praised beloved Vikings were very quick to interbreed with natives of where they settled and abandon their own native culture. I don't really see myself as the same as a typical white person. If I was then I would hate my own heritage and have no desire for family or folk. Seems like %90 of Americans who are interested in Asatru and connecting with their heritage and preserving themselves have some native american in them. I'm starting to think most racialist have something different about them than the normal white.

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    Umm I just looked it up. Italy is %94 ethnic Italian. Hardly the worst in Europe. Much of the immigrants are Eastern European.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy

    The Italians make a bigger deal out of this because they are less tolerant.

    from this source:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_England

    Ethnic Diversity Compared

    England - 84.7% Indigenous, 15.3% Ethnic Minority
    Germany - 91.5% Indigenous, 8.5% Ethnic Minority
    Italy - 94.8% Indigenous, 5.2% Ethnic Minority

    The U.S. is %74 white supposedly. Most of those are old people though. The youth- whites are typically a minority exept in highly rural areas.

    Here's an article on Italy's reaction to their measly less than %5 non-white population
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/ar.../25abroad.html

    I think the Germanic reaction of slittig their childrens throats to make room for the foriegner needs to go unstated...

    I have lived in the United States among these great melting pots. I've come into contact and worked with and lived around plenty of Jews, Italians, Indians, East Asians, Africans (from Africa), African Americans, mexicans etc.

    I can tell from experience. Jews and Italians are very smart when dealing with people and looking out for their own. Germanics are dim wits in comparison and bend over backwards to accomadate the stranger. With Italians its all about forming networks and alliance. Getting in close with people. They don't treat everybody the same. They favor those who are in their ingroup either from family ties or from close relationships that are formed over time.

    The government has tried to put the same policies in Italy and East Europe. The Natives have resisted. In Germanic lands the natives have mostly been acomodating to the outsiders.

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    No I'm dead serious

    I'm just wondering why anyone would suggest that Germanic people should look up to the Italians.
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