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    Stalin Continues to Be Popular with Many Russians

    Stalin voted third-best Russian

    Former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin was beaten by medieval prince Alexander Nevsky in a poll held by a TV station to find the greatest Russian.

    Stalin came third, despite being responsible for the deaths of millions of Soviets in labour camps and purges.

    Alexander Nevsky fought off European invaders in the 13th century to preserve a united Russia.

    In second place was reformist Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin, who was assassinated in 1911.

    More than 50 million people voted by phone, the internet or via text messages in the poll held by Rossiya, one of Russia's biggest television stations.

    The voting took place over six months as 500 original candidates were whittled down to a final 12.

    Rehabilitation campaign

    Stalin - an ethnic Georgian - was riding high for many months and was in the number one slot at one point until the show's producer appealed to viewers to vote for someone else, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow.

    Stalin sent millions of people to their deaths in the work camps of the Gulag. Millions more perished in political purges or during the forced collectivisation of farms during his rule from the 1920s to his death in 1953.

    Many in Russia do still revere Stalin for his role during World War II when the Soviet Union defeated the forces of Nazi Germany.

    But now there is a much broader campaign to rehabilitate Stalin and it seems to be coming from the highest levels of government, says our correspondent.

    "We now have to think very seriously, why the nation chooses to put [Joseph] Stalin in third place," said actor and film director Nikita Mikhalkov, one of the contest's judges, after the results were released.

    Nevsky fought off Swedish and Germanic invasions to preserve medieval Russia. He also pursued a conciliatory policy with the powerful Mongol rulers to protect Russia's eastern flank.

    He was canonised as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church in the 16th century.

    Stolypin is remembered for his attempts to modernise agriculture and stifle leftist revolutionaries as prime minister under Tsar Nicholas II.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7802485.stm

    What hypocrisy. Imagine the uproar, if Hitler was voted third-greatest German!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    What hypocrisy. Imagine the uproar, if Hitler was voted third-greatest German!
    First: without intervention, Stalin would probably have won (just take a look at the marginal votes). Second, the leitmotiv behind the candidacies of Stalin and Nevsky is their primitive anti-Germanicism. Nevsky fiercely defeated the Germans and the Swedes, but (simultaneously) made a deal with the Mongols. Russia in a nutshell.

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    Did you know Stalin wanted to deport all the Russian Jews to Siberia?

    Well, not that I'm for anything like that, but anyway, he wanted to make them live, freely, but in rural society that had to be self-providing so that the Jews had to work for their living in manual labour making capital accumulation, banking and sofort impossible.
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    Well, if Hitler had won, he'd continue to be popular with many Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    What hypocrisy. Imagine the uproar, if Hitler was voted third-greatest German!
    There was in fact a fuss some years ago when he landed 3rd place in Time Magazine's 'Person of the Century' contest. I believe he was leading at one point, before losing out to Elvis.

    http://www.time.com/time/time100/poc/century.html
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    Past is Past and those who suffered are dead for the most part. Those who did not suffer remember stalin as the defender of the ussr and the man who transfered the ussr from a third world country to a second world country within a single generation.
    the comparism to hitler fits. there was a documentation on tv latly stating that if hitler died 1938 he would be remembered as the greates geman ever.
    while i dont support hitlers politics that statement is true. and if hed won the war the same statement would be true.
    however its true that germany has a very strange way to deal with its past. i cant see a reason why my country is still held responsible for its past. that generation is nearly gone and i had nothing to do with it.
    im opposed to hitlers politics and im not a fan of the npd or whatever , but germany has to get over its paranoia when it comes to history. its ridiculus. you cant have swasticas on modelplanes because itts forbidden here. when it comes to historical objectivity germany acts stupid and so does russia.

    past is past - cant change it no matter what happened. lot of stuff to get accomplished now and here and more to do in the future. past is overrated

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    fairly odd, I dont know if it's people who admire his no nonesense attitude or what, I even seen a video on youtube of some NS leader in Russia saying his role models are Stalin and Hitler which is a bit of a contradiction.
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    I admire Stalin for his power and strong leadership. If Germany didn't destroy the USSR's industry, Stalin would have made the West butt-hurt for decades to come.

    There is no contradiction between admiring both Stalin and Hitler as they both respected and admired each other during the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Incommensurable. There is a qualitative difference between *the most influential person of the century* (neutral) and *the greatest RUSSIAN* (national, apotheosizing). Stalin was more deadly to the Russians than Hitler, but he was still *the greatest*, because he defeated the Germans.

    Ergo: anti-Westernism (i.e. anti-Germanicism) is so crucial to Russian national identity, that it even outranks genocide against its own population.
    I was in russia more than once and i absolutly made no expierience of hatret against germany. in fact alot of russians admire germany for multiple reasons. they dont hate germans - still they are proud of their nation and its victory over germany although they do have alot of respect even for the military.

    the admiration of stalin has nothing to do with beating germany its all about the survival of their country. and stalins crimes are cast away by that to a certain degree. and of cource there arent too many survivers left from stalins crimes. russias dealing with history isnt any better than in germany.
    however - there are definitly antisemitic and racistic tendencys in russia. not on a regular basis but its there. mostly against arabs and slavic minorities other than russian.

    im talking about the people not about politics in general. when it comes to politics russia does not act antigerman. they are germanys most importend partner and there are many examples of cooperation. maybe it has something to do with putin who was stationed in eastgermany and his wife being a teacher of the german langluage - i dont know. but with putin russia is a close friend of germany at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pino View Post
    fairly odd, I dont know if it's people who admire his no nonesense attitude or what, I even seen a video on youtube of some NS leader in Russia saying his role models are Stalin and Hitler which is a bit of a contradiction.

    Well, they were two sides of the same coin, both nationalists.

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