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    Putinist Russia and Germanic Interests

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    Well, I'm pretty found on Putin too, and I also believe that a loose cooperation in geo-politics might bring bright light to the near future of Europe against Zionist-American world-capitalism. I'm not for an Eurasian state, of course...

    However, since America is currently not ruling in Europe's interest, promoting independent Muslim Kosovo, Turkey in the EU, etc. Russia is indeed working in our interest! Pro-Serbia, against NATO, against Israel, against Turkey in the EU...

    A powerline axis of Washingon-Brussels-Moskou would be of course even better (in stead of Washinton-Brussels-Tel Aviv). But for that to happen America would have to have real conservatives in power. Not liberals like Obama or liberal frauds like Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Well, I'm pretty found on Putin too, and I also believe that a loose cooperation in geo-politics might bring bright light to the near future of Europe against Zionist-American world-capitalism. I'm not for an Eurasian state, of course...

    However, since America is currently not ruling in Europe's interest, promoting independent Muslim Kosovo, Turkey in the EU, etc. Russia is indeed working in our interest! Pro-Serbia, against NATO, against Israel, against Turkey in the EU...

    A powerline axis of Washingon-Brussels-Moskou would be of course even better (in stead of Washinton-Brussels-Tel Aviv). But for that to happen America would have to have real conservatives in power. Not liberals like Obama or liberal frauds like Bush.
    I would not be that categorical about Russia if I were you. It is true that we share some common enemies and adversaries, but to say that they are our friends is to overstate the case. If Russia has an anti-Turkey-in-the-EU line it is to weaken Turkey in order to get concessions regarding naval access to the Mediterranian and to improve its standing in the turkmen countries in Central Asia.

    For the time being our interests might align, but that will not last for ever, or very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Russia is indeed working in our interest!
    How? We have interests on several levels (geopolitics, macro-economy, security, meta-ethnicity etc.).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Pro-Serbia, against NATO, against Israel, against Turkey in the EU...
    Serbia, Nato and Turkey are all examples of the classical Russian grand strategy: Divide et impera, i.e. basically an anti-European/anti-Western strategy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    A powerline axis of Washingon-Brussels-Moskou would be of course even better (in stead of Washinton-Brussels-Tel Aviv). But for that to happen America would have to have real conservatives in power.
    A *real conservative* would never go for an alliance with Russia. Neither would Moscow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Serbia, Nato and Turkey are all examples of the classical Russian grand strategy: Divide et impera, i.e. basically an anti-European/anti-Western strategy.
    As in backing/playing Serbia and Serbian interests against the Austrian empire in 1914...

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    An alliance between Germany and Putinist Russia would be very beneficial for Germanic interests. We could do far more in terms of territorial acquisitions without economic sanctions or military invention with Russia on our side. Furthermore, this alliance could also counter the EU and NATO with great success.

    Putin, and Medvedev, are great leaders for Russia and I would not be surprised if they wanted to support a friend in Western Europe.

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    But that would be to fall for the old divide and conquer strategy. Turning Germany against the other EU/NATO countries would allow the Russians to act more freely and would only serve to strengthen them in areas where it would be detrimental to us. If Western Europe were to stand united it could at least play USA and Russia against each other more effectively.

    What we lack is what we can call "commercial security", the ability to secure and transport here the basic necessities of life: energy, food and other raw materials. What we need it to secure our own supplies of energy, like the oil from North Africa and the Caspian Sea, not to grow even more dependent on Russian controlled assets. So I am afraid that for us to "play the Russian card" will only make us weaker in the long term, dependent on Russian sources of energy.

    In respect to Turkey, even if we do not want them in the EU we should still work with them in order to bar Russian naval access to the Mediterranian and the Suez canal. If we can bottle up Gibraltar, Suez and the Dardanelles, we will in effect have turned that sea to a European lake. And that is something that our "friends" in Moscow would find very troubling, which would give us something to barter with. That is a strategy that seems much more promising than to let the Russians play divide and conquer with us. Also, having naval access to the Black Sea would allow us to project force into that region, another bargaining chip.

    As I have stated elsewhere: Europe needs the ability to project naval power across the globe.

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    Russia was often pro-Germanic in history, particuarly in the 18th and 19th centuries during which they participated in the partition of Poland, defeated Napoleon, and sent in army in to save the Austro-Hungarian monarchy from the 1848 revolutions.

    With the dissolution of the USSR, NATO is no longer a pro-Germanic entity but has become an instrument of the EU orientated towards supporting western slavic nations (Poland and Ukraine) and small former members of the USSR against Russia. Generally, it is these countries which have caused trouble recently for Germanic countries, Poland and the Czech Republic by trying to block museum showings about Germans expelled from those countries, and Ukraine acting like a Section 8 nigger by refusing to pay their gas bill and then stealing from the pipeline, thereby blocking the flow of gas to (Germanic) countries which actually pay their bills.
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    As I said, sometimes German and Russian interests coincide. There is nothing to deny there. But to go from there to concluding that some sort of German-Russian alliance would be desirable is to go too far. Going down that road will only make us wholly dependent on Russian sources of energy and will, eventually, make us all into Russian vassalls and force us to exchange our productive capacities against raw materials at a too genrous rate of exchange.

    All vassals must pay their tribute somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    As I said, sometimes German and Russian interests coincide. There is nothing to deny there. But to go from there to concluding that some sort of German-Russian alliance would be desirable is to go too far. Going down that road will only make us wholly dependent on Russian sources of energy and will, eventually, make us all into Russian vassalls and force us to exchange our productive capacities against raw materials at a too genrous rate of exchange.

    All vassals must pay their tribute somehow.
    In the meantime, they can get their butts in gear and build more nuclear power plants to meet the updated demand. Until a significant number of new nuclear power plants come online, they are going to be dependent on foreign energy sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Russia was often pro-Germanic in history, particuarly in the 18th and 19th centuries during which they participated in the partition of Poland, defeated Napoleon, and sent in army in to save the Austro-Hungarian monarchy from the 1848 revolutions.

    We're not talking about that Russia. That Russia was a Germanicized/Western Slavonic Monarchy. Nicholas Romanov had a fair amount of German blood and he and his wife wrote letters to each other in English and German. And the Royal Children were native German speakers, having learned English through tutors and barely spoke Russian.


    And that was a Russia which encouraged a lot of German immigrants. I have a few ancestors who migrated to Volhynia from Swabia, after receiving an invitation from Catharine. God the word Russian sends my blood boiling, they were monsters for massacring so many people.



    With the dissolution of the USSR, NATO is no longer a pro-Germanic entity but has become an instrument of the EU orientated towards supporting western slavic nations (Poland and Ukraine) and small former members of the USSR against Russia. Generally, it is these countries which have caused trouble recently for Germanic countries, Poland and the Czech Republic by trying to block museum showings about Germans expelled from those countries, and Ukraine acting like a Section 8 nigger by refusing to pay their gas bill and then stealing from the pipeline, thereby blocking the flow of gas to (Germanic) countries which actually pay their bills.


    Bohemia was nearly 25% German and Slovakia had a German population of nearly 10% in Hapsburg times.
    Ukraine is a joke. It's an incompetent steel-banana republic that's the second poorest country in Europe in terms of PC/GDP. What the heck... You have some of the best land in Europe, more steel and coal you know what to do with, tariffs on Russian gas and proximity to European markets... Must be the Tatar-Caucasian blood that you seen in most Ukrainians

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