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    Don't be so sure about Islam. Islam's growth is scary and must be dealt with. I once asked my teacher in Berlin (who taught a class about the Third Reich) whether there existed the possibility of a nationalist movement arising again in Europe, and he said 'people won't go in that direction. In history it often is that an organized minority wins out over a disorganized majority, and so Islam will probably come to the forefront.' !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    If there is any European interest in a Russian power block it would be to play the US, Russia and China against each other in e.g. Central Asia, creating a balance between them and then joining a weaker side in exchange for concessions.
    Key word: If. Another problem for discussion would be if there is any GERMANIC interest in anti-Americanism. From a meta-ethnic point of view, the main problem with American leadership in the occidental world is its current hostile elites (in the broad sense). In other words: this is an internal problem (disturbed power balance) within the Germanic world. Germanentum in the 21st century is obviously trans-atlantic (even global) and in no sense restricted to *the old world*.

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    Let us remind ourselves that Islamisation is an opportunistic disease that does not succeed on its own non-existing strength. The underlying problem is an immune deficiency stemming from the American concept of nationhood, i.e. a random collection of individuals endowed with liberal rights. That a large number of US citizens happen to be Germanic has proven to be of no consequence for their sense of identity or allegiance. The US will continue to try and gleefully merge us with the world into an agglomeration without direction or purpose, much less a Germanic one. It is too much to ask of other Germanics to place their trust in a sudden change and they are in fact under no obligation to stay in union with each other, especially if this union is a mere accident on the way to a globally expanded West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    What do you mean by *such actions*?! We now agree that Russian nationalism is statism, not ethnic or racial nationalism. Since the Russian state is not a nation state in the European sense, Russian statism is basically imperialism. Could you kindly explain why/how Russian imperialism, partly rooted in anti-Western xenophobia and meta-ethnic antagonism (even hatred and envy) should serve our interests in any sense?
    Yes, I am opposed to statism, but I am no Russian. Besides, in Switzerland it does work. It's all about political tradition. Why are you thinking in ethical boxes, anyway? It's geo-politics, it's interests, it's power. It's not about being friends.

    Nonsense. Russia is open to immigration on a large scale, especially from the former Soviet empire and other neighbouring states (China, for instance).
    Of the GOS-states is pretty normal, like we have the EU-immigration. As for the rest, source?

    Securing energy via Russia is obviously not an option, since Gazprom is not a private company, but an integrated part of the Russian neo-imperialist project. What you call *Zionist interventionism* should be regarded as a result of internal affairs within the Germanic world (Jewish activism is toxic throughout the western world, and remains significant even in Russia).
    Thank God it's not a private company. You really like those oligarchs, huh? 'Neo-imperialist project'. What neo-con bollocks. They're merely securing their national interests, like we should do in stead of horsing around behind USA's and Israel's ass. And in no way, Russian policy is zionist. Where do you get this?

    First, why should *we* (= Europeans?) build a power block against the US - a country with 100 - 120 million Germanic citizens? What makes you think Russia would help to strengthen Europe when it has never done so before?
    Yes, of course, Europeans, what did you think? Martians?

    As far as I remember, Bush became president in 2001 - more than a year after Yeltsin retired... Bush outsmarted himself and leagued together with Russia in the first years of his presidency.
    As I recall Clinton introduced more taxes, and less social security or state-expenses. "It's the economy, stupid". He made the market more 'free'. He was just as 'free-market' minded as your average neo-con (hereby once again proving that the presidential elections in America are a hoax). In concreto, capitalist rubbish. Furthermore, foreign policy of America has, since the 70'ies, always been neo-con. Who do you think bombed Serbia? Clinton. The only exception is maybe Carter, but that was a gutless turd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator X View Post
    Don't be so sure about Islam. Islam's growth is scary and must be dealt with. I once asked my teacher in Berlin (who taught a class about the Third Reich) whether there existed the possibility of a nationalist movement arising again in Europe, and he said 'people won't go in that direction. In history it often is that an organized minority wins out over a disorganized majority, and so Islam will probably come to the forefront.' !

    Be afraid, and be vigilant.
    No, no, no. The treath does not lie in the backwarded Islam, it lies in our politicians. For instance, the only rich Arab countries are the ones with oil. Take that away and they crumble. Of course, you have comlete backwarded cultures like the African that have all the natural resources in the world and still are nothing. Anyway, the Islam in Europe is a matter than can be dealt with without big effort, with good policy. Thus the danger does not lie in the nature of Islam but in the powers ruling us. The neo-marxist dominant culture (i.e political correctness) that collaborates with the capitalist liberals.
    "La vie est la vie, c'est-à-dire un combat, pour une nation comme pour un homme"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Its all about political tradition. Why are you thinking in ethical boxes, anyway? Its geo-politics, its interests, its power. Its not about being friends.
    A focus on meta-ethnic longterm interests provides a good starting point on a preservationist forum as Skadi. As already mentioned a couple of times, geopolitics/international power system analysis is only one of several aspects one has to take into consideration. Besides, geopolitics is far from being such a straightforward concept, as you seem to suggest. Political geographers have expanded geopolitics to include economic as well as military factors, for instance, and the Kjellenian model introduced the concept of demopolitik, stressing the racial/meta-ethnic elements of nations and the problems and possibilities that they create. If you follow the Haushoferian version, the pan-region-model today would be consistent with the EU as pan-Europe and the US as pan-America. Pan-Russia can be regarded as both a resource periphery as well as a major Eurasian power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Of the GOS-states is pretty normal, like we have the EU-immigration. As for the rest, source?
    If large scale immigration from Central Asia is *pretty normal* in Russia, why did you claim that the country did not tolerate immigration? As for sources, a minimum of mutuality would be preferable.

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    Putin is a threat to Russian Nationalists(has the police go after them), but he would also not provide a home for Germans in their rightful place of Koenigsberg. Even this multiculturalist antifa group called Nashi( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(youth_movement) ) supports him. I consider Putin's reign like a new form of communism. The Jewish mafia has power there and have very well likely infiltrated the government.

    Keep in mind also - Didn't Russia grant China some of their land(for nothing) not too long ago?

    President Medeved is Jewish. Another consideration. I myself do not trust any Jews.

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    The (Medvedev) Putin v Obama clash of personalities could get 'entertaining'. Obama with his massive chip on the shoulder and suppressed aggressive negroid psychological traits, up against ex KGB 'hard man' Putin. I'd be surprised if the situation doesn't get 'out of hand'. This might not be in anybody's best interest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac Seafraidh View Post
    Putin is a threat to Russian Nationalists(has the police go after them), but he would also not provide a home for Germans in their rightful place of Koenigsberg. Even this multiculturalist antifa group called Nashi( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(youth_movement) ) supports him. I consider Putin's reign like a new form of communism. The Jewish mafia has power there and have very well likely infiltrated the government.

    Keep in mind also - Didn't Russia grant China some of their land(for nothing) not too long ago?

    President Medeved is Jewish. Another consideration. I myself do not trust any Jews.
    Claerly, you don't seem to know one bit about Nashi. My nationalist fraternity invited the chairman (well, woman actually) of Nashi to come speak. Yes, they are 'anti-fascist'. They find liberals, socialist, communists, national-boljeviks and capitalists all fascists, so that's cleared out

    They're a conservative, nationalist movement. It means 'We' or 'Ours'. It's the 'Putin-Youth'.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(youth_movement)



    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    A focus on meta-ethnic longterm interests provides a good starting point on a preservationist forum as Skadi. As already mentioned a couple of times, geopolitics/international power system analysis is only one of several aspects one has to take into consideration. Besides, geopolitics is far from being such a straightforward concept, as you seem to suggest. Political geographers have expanded geopolitics to include economic as well as military factors, for instance, and the Kjellenian model introduced the concept of demopolitik, stressing the racial/meta-ethnic elements of nations and the problems and possibilities that they create. If you follow the Haushoferian version, the pan-region-model today would be consistent with the EU as pan-Europe and the US as pan-America. Pan-Russia can be regarded as both a resource periphery as well as a major Eurasian power.
    Serious, what do you think geo-politics is, if not an international externalisation of the national economic, political and military power. When you achieve power trough geo-politics you can forward your value's that you consider vital to a healthy society. If you really believe that the future furthermore lies in the bankrupt policy of Zionist atlantism while kissing Israel's ass, you must not have been paying attention in history class.


    If large scale immigration from Central Asia is *pretty normal* in Russia, why did you claim that the country did not tolerate immigration? As for sources, a minimum of mutuality would be preferable.
    They consider Slavic or nearby, related nations immigration as non-immigration, just like we consider immigration from Europe as non-immigration. Well, immigration without problems..

    Putin is without doubt the best thing that Russia has got in the last 100 years. Wealth and life standard are up, oligarchs are down, immigration is down, multiculturalism is down. If neo-cons have this to say about Putin, you know you're right.

    "Putinism is becoming a toxic brew of nationalism directed against neighboring nations, and populist envy, backed by assaults of state power, directed against private wealth. Putinism is a national socialism without the demonic element of its pioneer …". According to Illarionov, the ideology of chekists is Nashism (“ours-ism”), the selective application of rights" George Will


    Here's how he's doing domestically.



    Anyway, it's not about making friends, like I said before.

    "We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are perpetual and eternal and those interests it is our duty to follow." Lord Palmerston, British Foreign Secretary, 1848.
    "La vie est la vie, c'est-à-dire un combat, pour une nation comme pour un homme"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    My nationalist fraternity invited the chairman (well, woman actually) of Nashi to come speak.
    That explains the level of indoctrination. What did she say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Yes, they are anti-fascist. They find liberals, socialist, communists, national-boljeviks and capitalists all fascists. Theyre a conservative, nationalist movement.
    Depends on what you (or, probably more interesting: THEY) mean by *conservative* and *nationalist*. Who DO they LIKE? We already know that they certainly DISLIKE anything Western and European. I hope you are aware of the fact that the Nashi also is a multi-ethnic, anti-racist movement preaching tolerance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    When you achieve power trough geo-politics you can forward your values that you consider vital to a healthy society.
    Do we have any common values with Russia? Does Russia have any values?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    They consider Slavic or nearby, related nations immigration as non-immigration, just like we consider immigration from Europe as non-immigration.
    Wrong. The Russian case is not comparable to Europe. They consider ANY immigration from ANY former Soviet republic as *non-immigration*, i.e. any citizen of the former SSSR is granted citizenship, even without basic language skills. Most of these immigrants are what Americans would describe as *non-whites*.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Putin is without doubt the best thing that Russia has got in the last 100 years.
    Sounds like a pretty far-out statement, especially from a European, Germanic point of view.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Wealth and life standard are up, oligarchs are down, immigration is down, multiculturalism is down.
    Oligarchs/immigration/*multiculturalism* is not down. Even the president himself is a plutocrat, acquiring 40 billion USD during his eight years in power, through a network of front-men.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007...ia.topstories3

    Their primitive economy, though, based as it is on fluctuating commodity prices, is in serious trouble:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Economist View Post
    Russia faces a real risk of recession, as industrial production is declining fast. Real incomes, which have been growing even more rapidly than the economy, fell in November by 6.2% on a year earlier; wage arrears have almost doubled. The rouble is steadily losing value against the dollar. There is little doubt that Russia is heading into one of its most difficult years.
    http://www.economist.com/world/europ...ry_id=12856506

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    I'm wary of Putin/United Russia/Nashi, but I'd rather see a Germanic alignment with Russia than anywhere else. It would damage the neo-con hegemony and European tailending of America. On another board recently the leader of the small civic-nationalist Free England Party argued for an English Alliance with Russia.

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