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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator X View Post
    In history it often is that an organized minority wins out over a disorganized majority, and so Islam will probably come to the forefront.
    Exactly, one should keep this in mind, when talking about nationalist movements which only try to accumulate and please masses of people.
    Being low in numbers, but well organized and clear in mind and goals - homogeneity of the soul among the warriors - brings a way higher chance of success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Let us remind ourselves that Islamisation is an opportunistic disease that does not succeed on its own non-existing strength.
    Of course it does, we are weak, they are strong(er), or they couldn't take advantage of our current weakness.
    We should remind ourselves that we have the potential to be stronger than them (again)!
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    It could be said that their strength lies in resisting the effects of liberal democracy while simultaneously exploiting it for their purposes. Still, they have not forced themselves on us by military means, they were simply brought here by people working within a system that deliberately attacks our own cohesion. If we want to name a successful invasion on our soil, we have to look a few decades further back and it will become clear that our problem is American in origin, not Islamic. It therefore will not be solved by attacking one or the other pathetically weak country in Western or even Central Asia in order to "fight Islam".

    The threat of domination by Russia is real, but our current dominator will prove fatal to us and our end game must be to evade them all and become a power in our own right that is Germanic in character and outlook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    ... the bankrupt policy of Zionist atlantism while kissing Israels ass [...] Anyway, its not about making friends, like I said before.
    In disregard of your hyper-simplistic analyses (in lack of a better word), I would like you to explain to us why the most pro-Zionist country in Europe is also the most pro-Putinist. AND: If *its not about making friends*, why do you exclude the US?

    http://edwardlucas.blogspot.com/2008...nd-russia.html

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    Setting up such straw men only to incinerate them is the usual, rather facile, German approach to criticism.
    The really puzzling question is why Germany feels this way towards the Russian regime. Are the Germans deluded? Or just ill-informed? Have they been bought by the profits from ballooning exports? Is their unwillingness to confront Russia the result of historical trauma - the defeat, destruction, rape and looting of the Soviet march westwards? Is it guilt about the mass murder that accompanied Germany's attack on the Soviet Union?
    It is hard to think of a more promising guide to these questions than Michael Stuermer (as he spells his name in English; in German it would be Stürmer). He is the archetypal good German: urbane, Anglophile, Atlanticist and brainy, spanning the worlds of academe and journalism in a way that is quite common in the Anglo-Saxon world, but still rare in the German-speaking one.
    He is certainly not the sort of person to fall foul of lazy thinking or the conventional wisdom. By the standards of the German chattering classes, he is something of an iconoclast - a man who delivers blunt truths about the real world to the pampered and idealistic Heimat.
    It poses a profound challenge to the security and wellbeing of the continent and this threat is made graver still by the greed and complacency of his compatriots. He might even have argued, defensibly although in my view wrongly, that though Russian revanchism and corruption are not a huge problem for Germany itself, they do pose a threat to his country's allies in the EU and Nato, and that Germany is therefore honour-bound to defend them.
    He seems not to care that Russia's leaders explicitly want to break the Atlantic alliance - the cornerstone of Germany's security thinking since the days of Konrad Adenauer.
    The second big reason why Stuermer's approach is mistaken is that he creates the impression (I hope a wrong one) that he does not care two kopecks for the countries between Germany and Russia.
    These countries feel scared, largely with good reason, and it is shameful that Germany does not take those fears into account.
    In return, Russia offers what Germany lacks: wide open spaces (don't call it Lebensraum though); a sense of fun, of spontaneity, of a different and less dull outlook on life.
    The same combination of gritty determination and brainpower that rebuilt Germany after the collapse of the Third Reich is what is needed in Russia now.
    Rather than exporting German virtues to Russia, the danger now is that Germans are importing Russian sleaze, corporatism and anti-Americanism.
    His analysis of current German attitudes is probably not very far from the truth, apart from the generous slander and nazi slurs, but what he has in mind for us is no less pathetic. Our goal cannot be to remain a conquered province in our American friends' realm of degenerate civilization, the West must first be brought down in order to allow a genuine Germania to rise from its ashes under drastically redefined principles of order.

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    Question Does this look like a representable group to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Claerly, you don't seem to know one bit about Nashi. My nationalist fraternity invited the chairman (well, woman actually) of Nashi to come speak. Yes, they are 'anti-fascist'. They find liberals, socialist, communists, national-boljeviks and capitalists all fascists, so that's cleared out

    They're a conservative, nationalist movement. It means 'We' or 'Ours'. It's the 'Putin-Youth'.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashi_(youth_movement)







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    Disturbing, still rubbish. They visited it us in November. They stand for a conservative, patritotic movement, I can assure you.



    http://flickr.com/photos/kvhvgent/se...615091/?page=2

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    From Wikipedia:

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    Walking Together leader Vasilii Yakemenko said in 2005 that the goal of the new "anti-fascist" movement is to put an end to the "anti-Fatherland union of oligarchs, anti-Semites, Nazis, and liberals." Several Moscow-based newspapers suggested the goal of the group is actually a bit more specific: to eventually replace the party of power, United Russia. Not all of its goals are politically motivated however. Nashi organizes voluntary work in orphanages and old people's homes, and helps restore churches and war memorials. It also pickets shops accused of selling alcohol and cigarettes to minors, and campaigns against racial intolerance.

    One of the movement's main goals is preventing the introduction of foreign control in Russia. Russian newspaper Moskovskii Komsomolets quoted Yakemenko as saying that "organizations in Russia are growing, on the basis of which the U.S. will create groups analogous to Serbia's Otpor, Georgia's Kmara, or Ukraine's Pora. These groups are Eduard Limonov's National Bolshevik Party and Avant Garde Red Youth. "Yakemenko expressed his fears that Russia's fate may be similar to that of Ukraine which he considers to have become a "colony of the United States".

    The movement cultivates an unorthodox interpretation of the term "fascism", including that the Russian liberal leftist party Yabloko is fascist. Nashi has been accused of recruiting skinheads and local hooligans to intimidate rival youth groups. Such activities caused Gavin Knight, an editor for the New Statesman, to draw the conclusion that "Nashi’s true function was as a personality cult for Putin whose job was intimidate, bully and harass his opponents."


    A Nashi advertisement was described in a Time magazine article as "reminiscent of Soviet-era propaganda with its non sequitur acceleration of hysteria". The advertisement read: "Tomorrow there will be war in Iran. The day after tomorrow Russia will be governed externally!"[19] The Boston Globe said that "movement's Brownshirt tactics certain evoke shades of Hitler Youth, as does the emphasis on physical fitness, clean living, and procreation for the Motherland".[20] Some[who?] view the emergence of this and, more recently, other similar organisations, such as Young Guard and Locals, as one of the signs of Russia under Putin "sliding into fascism, with state control of the economy, media, politics and society becoming increasingly heavy-handed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    In other words, supporting western slavic nations is not pro-Germanic, whereas supporting an (eastern Slavic) anti-Western nation is??
    Yes. The western Slavic nations are the ones which currently sit on land which was German up until a century ago.

    Finding someone on the other side of your opponent to ally with is the standard way things are done-this is why Israel is an ally of Turkey (against Syria) and Greece is more inclined to be friendly towards Syria.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Who are *we*? Russia will never *fight multiculturalism*, due to the fact that its empire has always been - and will remain - multi-ethnic/multi-cultural. Russian nationalism is imperialistic, not ethnic.
    They won't ever fight to promote it either. Contrast this to western Europe (the EU) attempts to put sanctions against Austria. Also with the EU there is the whole centralization of power problem including attempts to make 'Holocaust-denial' and other 'racism' criminal in all member states, giving more power to the EU government and simultaneously attempting to prevent a nationalist bloc from forming (already inherently difficult, the last one melted down when Italian and Romanian nationalist got in a feud), and removing limits against inter-European migration (including eligibility for state benefits).

    In the event that a Germanic nation in Europe did elect a nationalist government, they would most likely face economic sanctions from the rest of the EU, and in this case Russia would be a key trading partner.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Who DO they LIKE? We already know that they certainly DISLIKE anything Western and European.
    That's two points in their favor then, as western/European currently stands for liberal policies, multiculturalism and globalism.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Do we have any common values with Russia? Does Russia have any values?
    Who cares? The don't have any crusade for 'values' like the old USSR crusade for global communism, or the current neo-conservative/liberal crusade for pluralist democracy and Human Rights. Russia doesn't care, they just want to sell you stuff. Look at western Europe, where millions marched about a war which didn't concern their entire continent and therefore was no business of theirs (Iraq conflict), and they get extremely excited every time Israel and some gang of terrorists decide to throw down. Meanwhile, Russia just minds its own business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Disturbing, still rubbish. They visited it us in November. They stand for a conservative, patritotic movement, I can assure you.



    http://flickr.com/photos/kvhvgent/se...615091/?page=2

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    From Wikipedia:
    Those pictures are directly from their official site - http://www.nashi.su/

    So, they may have come to meet with you and perhaps be lying at the same time. Putin is bad news for Russia and more importantly German Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    They stand for a conservative, patritotic movement, I can assure you.
    Read your own source:
    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    [The Nashi movement] campaigns against racial intolerance.
    Those who disagree (the national bolshevik leaders, for instance) are behind bars.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Also with the EU there is the whole centralization of power problem including attempts to make Holocaust-denial and other racism criminal in all member states, giving more power to the EU government and simultaneously attempting to prevent a nationalist bloc from forming (already inherently difficult, the last one melted down when Italian and Romanian nationalist got in a feud), and removing limits against inter-European migration (including eligibility for state benefits).
    If powerful nation states is what you want, then the EU is, obviously, an obstacle. The era of nation states in Europe, however, ended in the 20th century in the course of two exhausting world wars. The EU is a potential materialization of Haushofers Pan-Europa as a geopolitical entity - a situation unheard of since the glorious days of the Reich. Since all the negative factors and developments you just listed, were present in the pre-EU, postwar nation states (Holocaust ideology from the 1960s and 70s, anti-nationalism, anti-racism, large scale migration etc.), they cannot be recognized as weighty arguments against the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    The western Slavic nations are the ones which currently sit on land which was German up until a century ago. Finding someone on the other side of your opponent to ally with is the standard way things are done-this is why Israel is an ally of Turkey (against Syria) and Greece is more inclined to be friendly towards Syria.
    The significance of the traditional nations and territorialism will be diminished, and if the pan-European project succeeds, Germans will be able to buy their land back. Besides, the western Slavic nations are already on board.

    Lets call our ship X: SoV hates the rats, the shipowner and the captain, and suggests sinking the ship through sabotage and wreckage, because an alien ship Z (not far away, but with an irrational, unpredictable crew and a hell of a reputation) MAYBE ready to save us because SoVs instincts tell him so. CONCLUSION: there is no external solution to an internal problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Read your own source:
    And that's the way to go. 100 % identity, 0 % racism. Besides, it's more an appearance. You can't compare it to the anti-racist antifa if that's what you mean. Alain de Benoist, for example propagates racial tolerance, is he a leftist? Didn't think so. We had a reading of the chairwoman of Nashi, Masha Drakova. She was pretty clear about multiculturalism, egalitarism, homo's, etc




    Those who disagree (the national bolshevik leaders, for instance) are behind bars.
    So, they worship Stalin. Besides, they're in the 'patriotic block' with nazi's and hardline communists.
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