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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Assimilation and integration of non-Germanics should take place in their own territories accompanied by continuous immigration, beginning in the Germanic core and permeating through the surrounding layers.
    I'm not sure if I'm following this part. Are you saying that Germany should be expanding and integrating them while they are still within their homelands or are you talking about immigrants assimilating while in small enclaves within Germany?

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    I am saying that non-Germanics should never be colonists in Germanic territory. If Germanic settlers encounter valuable and assimilable elements on their way outwards, they can try to integrate them into their local community while remaining Germanic in character. Germania, in an ethno-cultural sense, would be expanding this way instead of being the perpetual target of colonisation. A simple modification of the terms of its destruction is not something I am very enthusiastic about and there is no need to perpuate the warped moral and political beliefs that demand this from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm View Post
    from everything I've gathered the Volkdeutsche have never tried to be a part of any of their adopted countries in anyway.
    If by that you mean integrate and start to consider us Hungarians, then you're right. Why would we? The Hungarians wouldn't see us as Hungarians either. The Volksdeutsche today didn't make the decision to immigrate to a foreign land. These things happened centuries ago and our ancestors must have had a reason. The point is, it wasn't my decision to be born as a German in Hungary. I was born a German, I think in German. I can't magically snap my fingers and become Hungarian.

    I've read that they have been known to refuse en masse to do things as simple as filling out census forms.
    We don't refuse to do that. Filling out census forms is important to identify us in numbers from the rest of the population.

    Everyone frowns as Gypsies who call themselves Hungarian on census forms. Why should we adopt that attitude?

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    Hauke: Japan is a role model in this respect. Foreigners may visit but they may never be granted citizenship. If you visit Japan I think you have like a 3 year limit then you have to go home. You can then wait a year or something a reapply to visit again. The number of foriegners there at any given time is also limited to so many people and they definately are not treated the same as natives. Not to say they are inhospitable.

    The better form of humanity should be expanding. Because of some genetic flaw in whites that causes them to have more sympathy for whales, dolphins and foriegners than their own people the lesser parts of humanity are expanding and encroaching in on civilization. If there was some folk out there with traits that seemed better than us and some use to us it would make some sense to allow a trickle of that to flow into and rejuvinate our blood stream but common sense tells us that the poor, sick, weak, uncivilized, failed masses who can't take care of themselves that flood into our lands contribute nothing to our civilization, in fact take away from it.

    As hauke is saying we should be the ones pouring out and raising the racial level of the outsiders rather than the opposite of them coming in and lowering our level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    As hauke is saying we should be the ones pouring out and raising the racial level of the outsiders rather than the opposite of them coming in and lowering our level.
    This is not what Hauke said, we have no intention to raise any level of outsiders, if they are beneath us, there is no need to assimilate, read the Borg manual first.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    I have very mixed views about all ethnic Germans immigrating to Germany.

    First I do not understand why Americans with German blood would want to leave their homeland (which is America) to live in Germany. I would very much like to see a strong Germany, but it would not be Germany if a large amount of Americans lived there. Keep in mind I call Americans with German blood just that and to me a German/American is someone who is from Germany that has immigrated to America.



    I don't fully understand how ethnic Germans in Europe feel about moving to Germany, so I can only give a slight thought on the matter. It seems some of these cultures are in extreme danger of becoming extinct. Maybe they should move to Germany but I don't know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Baughman View Post
    First I do not understand why Americans with German blood would want to leave their homeland (which is America) to live in Germany. I would very much like to see a strong Germany, but it would not be Germany if a large amount of Americans lived there. Keep in mind I call Americans with German blood just that and to me a German/American is someone who is from Germany that has immigrated to America.
    Perhaps I am mistaken but I believe the idea is that those ethnic Germans that return to German land do not consider themselves American. That is to say, they would wish to fully integrate into their ethnic homeland and renounce their own "Americanized" customs. This would not lead to German lands being populated by Americans or American customs but rather it would be akin to simply more Germans (who practice German customs and speak the German language) appearing. While customs are not so easily shaken off or forgotten, I think that the ethnic Germans who did return would try very hard to integrate.

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    I think that the main concern, that I would have would be over-population. You would also have to get all the minorities, back to their ancestral homelands first, in order to have room for the white population to return to their homelands. This would be nearly impossible in our lifetimes.

    From 1960 the total population of the Earth more than doubled, from 3024 million in 1960 to 6465 million in 200510. Every decade, the rate of increase has increased. The growth of the Human population on the Earth is still accelerating. Faster and faster growth, a population explosion, continues. In Global Trends, Michael J. Mazarr writes that "only after 2020 might annual additions to world population begin to decline" [Mazaar, p30-31].
    Source:http://www.humantruth.info/population.html#Population

    In many Western countries and countries such as Japan, a post-industrial slow in the population growth has occurred. Populations are ageing2. This means that over coming decades, the numbers of old people will continue to rise whilst the numbers of the young continue to decline. It is the first time in Human history that the age distribution of nations has threatened to become long-term top-heavy. What this means is a change in the entire way that society is structured. The young will have an excess of elders, rather than the old having an excess of youth. Our ideas of work, retirement, socialisation and education will have to change.
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    I´d welcome Volksdeutsche who´re unmixed, able to speak our language fluently and who´ve a living connection to our customs, traditions and our culture back in Germany with open hands. On the other hand, people who´re only "German" by their ancestry but have no other connections to my folk (culture, language, identity, etc.) should better stay where they are. If you want to come back there can´t be a "I´m German and American", your heart can only beat for one country alone!

    I want Germans and Volksdeutsche to integrate and assimilate, not German-Americans...or German-Canadians, German-Australians, German-Argentinians.

    "Judge of your natural character by what you do in your dreams" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    I think the Germans of Deutsch-Südwestafrika could be seen as Volkdeutsche who have kept their culture and language alive even though they can all speak Afrikaans, if one can get past the geographical differences.

    From Wkikipedia:
    A smaller proportion of whites (around 30,000) trace their family origins directly back to German colonial settlers and maintain German cultural and educational institutions.
    Deutsche Höhere Privatschule in Windhoek was founded 1909 then called Kaiserliche Realschule.

    In South Africa we have quite a few Germans and as far as I know they have integrated into our society to a large extent. My mother is an Insurance broker at one of the SA banks and has a few German clients. Vryheid (a town in SA) has a considerable German farming community.

    In the Boer war the Vrijstaat had a Prussian Capt. FWR Albrecht who was the commander of the Artilleriekorps:



    If this is not a testament to a contribution to his adopted country nothing is.

    Although the corps took part in two wars during the 1860's, it was only after 1880, when a decorated Prussian artillery officer, Capt. FWR Albrecht, was appointed in command that the unit started taking shape.
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    The Vrijstaats Artilleriekorps also dressed in Prussian styled uniforms:







    Assimilation can only occur naturally if the persone who is assimilated shares ideas and ideals of the Folk into which he is to be assimilated. In the case of modern SA Germans they do tend to have a healthy regard IMO for their Fatherland but this does not hinder interaction between themselves and the Afrikaners or their contributions to our society (especially pre 1994). It is not uncommon to see a German flag flying over the gate of German owned farms, this IMO is how it should be...
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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