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    [Note: Split from this thread.]

    Just backtracking there the Spartans were certainly a Germanic people. The Hellenes being part of the Dorian cultural wave from central Europe.
    By definition in Spartan society and in Hellenic society as a whole, slaves and helots were black haired Ionians. Spartans were golden haired "Xanthoi."

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    Just backtracking there the Spartans were certainly a Germanic people. The Hellenes being part of the Dorian cultural wave from central Europe.
    By definition in Spartan society and in Hellenic society as a whole, slaves and helots were black haired Ionians. Spartans were golden haired "Xanthoi."
    Hmm, that isn't true. The Spartans were Greek people. You're mentioning Hellenes yourself, so how could they be Germanic at same time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Hmm, that isn't true. The Spartans were Greek people. You're mentioning Hellenes yourself, so how could they be Germanic at same time?

    http://www.white-history.com/hwr10.htm

    The Spartans themselves kept their society strictly divided into three classes: by blood. At the top were the Spartans themselves, nearly all Nordic, ruled by their kings (Sparta had two kings from two ancient families).

    The middle class comprised mainly of the original Greeks and some later descendants of other Indo-European invaders (such as the Dorians). This middle class tended to be less Nordic in appearance than the Spartans themselves.

    The lowest class of Spartan society were the darkest in the society, called helots, who were mainly Original Mediterranean racial types who had mixed with North African (Arabic, Nubian and Semitic) slaves imported into the region at an earlier date.

    Originally the Classical Greeks prided themselves upon possessing the "fairest eyes . . . of all the nations" or so wrote the Jewish physician and sophist Adamantius during the 4th Century AD (Physiognomica, iii. 32).

    As the darker elements in Grecians society grew in number, so did the desire to mimic the original Nordic blond haired type. The Greek writer Euripides, for example, wrote a tract on how Greeks dyed their hair blond, and many other Greek writers left tracts describing how hair could be dyed blond with natural chemicals.

    In 411 BC, forty years after Pericles had enacted his law limiting citizenship to those of biological Athenian descent only, the law was turned on its head and citizenship of Athens was given to tens of thousands of foreigners who had entered Athens, particularly from the Middle East, with the argument being used that the city state had to make up the huge population losses suffered as a result of the Persian and inter-Grecian wars.

    By this stage the racial mix of Athens and many other Grecian city states was beginning to show the effects of the importation of peoples from elsewhere in the Middle and Near East, and significant sections of the population had become darker than even during Pericles' time.

    This darkening of the population (caused partly by the Nordic and original European elements of Grecian society warring themselves to death - and partly by the importation of masses of already mixed Middle Eastern peoples) runs directly in tandem with the decline and fall of Classical Greece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    http://www.white-history.com/hwr10.htm

    The Spartans themselves kept their society strictly divided into three classes: by blood. At the top were the Spartans themselves, nearly all Nordic, ruled by their kings (Sparta had two kings from two ancient families).
    I have a couple of problems with this guy's arguments:

    1). He doesn't source anything.
    2). He confuses ancient Mediterranean notions of "Nordic" with what is actually Nordic and further conflates this with what is Germanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    Just backtracking there the Spartans were certainly a Germanic people.
    How are you defining "Germanic" here? Culturally or genetically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    1). He doesn't source anything.
    Adamantius? Yet I agree, the author should better source his claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    2). He confuses ancient Mediterranean notions of "Nordic" with what is actually Nordic and further conflates this with what is Germanic.
    Hm, the word Germanic is not even mentioned in the article, and he does not claim notions of the term "Nordic" by ancient Mediterraneans, just "light eyes" and "fair hair".
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    It used to be just general knowledge that the Germanic peoples inhabitated Greece, founded Rome, ruled Persia. Were treated as Gods in Egypt. Inhabited Libya and the central Sahara. Invaded India, created Chinese civilisation and travelled to the Americas.
    There is a big move to rubbish Germanic history by those that are excluded. No doubt one day they will say it was a myth that Swedes were blonde.
    Creeping negrescence must be challenged.
    Portugal used to be as blonde as Sweden, as did France and Spain. Unfortunately dominant negrescent genes are driving our people to extinction and dooming us to a world without beauty or love. Just as the dwarf stole the Rhine gold.

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    http://www.white-history.com/hellenes.htm

    I always found the Nordic claims suspect. You can look at ancient Greek statues and such. They look white but not particularly Nordic :-\

    Here you can look at actual ancient Greek paintings. They have white skin and black hair. Not blond, blue eyed Nordics

    http://traumwerk.stanford.edu/philol...riadne_15.html

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    Wow, threads like these really bring out the whack jobs. History is about looking at evidence and discerning the truth from it, not fabricating evidence to suit your ideology,these fantasies about nordic ubermen founding every piece of world civilization are ridiculous, and unsurprisingly always backed up by the most ridiculous evidence. Yes the Spartan citizens were of different racial stock, if I recall correctly Dorian rather than Ionian; they were not however, nordic.

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    Too many racialist get hung up on Nazi propaganda. This was stuff made up to manipulate a dumb public- the Nazis didn't even believe it themselves. That's where a lot of the make the Jew into the devil himself and blame him for everything and blond, blue eyed Nordics represent everything good on the earth comes from. The references arguing for blond, blue eyed Greeks were members of the Nazi party. That's where these crazy ideas keep popping up from...

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