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    They had what they needed to destroy the civilized Roman empire.
    destroying things does not equal civilization, building things does. And Rome was never beaten in war, sure it was sacked a few times . Rome collapsed internally due to a number of things (the introduction of backwards thinking Christianity, corruption, multiculturalism, over expansion, disease etc). Roman republic/empire lasted for 1,000 years. The British Empire lasted for 300 years.

    They did, don't you know of the Frankish, British or Swedish empires?
    Who knows how long it took them to form the Roman empire?!
    Ive never heard of Swedish Empires, of course British had Empire but so did the Spaniards. Anyways all these empires are recent in comparison to the Ancient. I'm just saying saying that Northern Europe was culturally backwards for 1000 years before Southern Europe. Civilization flowed from south to north, this is common historical knowledge.

    The HDR is of no interest.
    It is when concerning how developed a nation is.

    Notice how all the low developed ones are are Sub Saharan African nations? 25 lowest are all in Sub Saharan Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    Ive never heard of Swedish Empires
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire

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    Civilization flowed from south to north, this is common historical knowledge.
    The geographic location is not disputed, still, common knowledge history is merely a tool.
    It is not about "Civilization" it is about power, the power and strength one needs to transform a will into a deed.
    As soon as those empires became "Civilized" they faltered and eventually died.
    The achievement of the Nordic race is not "Civilization", it is power, to rule and to conquer ("stormaktstiden").
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    I'm just saying saying that Northern Europe was culturally backwards for 1000 years before Southern Europe. Civilization flowed from south to north, this is common historical knowledge.
    I'm sure you're aware that there are monuments in Northern Europe that pre-date the Giza pyramid? I wouldn't have to tell you that the Romans were considering the thought of building roads when Northern Europeans were happily whizzing along their already thousands mile long, European wide road systems?

    The list is endless. Northern Europe was not a backwards place at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    It is when concerning how developed a nation is.
    In what sense? The HDR is entirely subjected to modern definitions of development, while some parts of it have their merits others have not.
    To understand the Nordic mind of happiness and success I would recommend A. Schopenhauer - The Wisdom of Life.
    We do not need others to tell us how developed we are, nor should we care. We have our own perceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    In what sense? The HDR is entirely subjected to modern definitions of development, while some parts of it have their merits others have not.
    To understand the Nordic mind of happiness and success I would recommend A. Schopenhauer - The Wisdom of Life.
    We do not need others to tell us how developed we are, nor should we care. We have our own perceptions.
    Nordic nations are all very high on the list, Iceland and Scandinavia are highest



    The achievement of the Nordic race is not "Civilization", it is power, to rule and to conquer ("stormaktstiden").
    So since the Red army conquered Germany they are superior? The most powerful in Europe today is Russia, they would squash any European nation easily. I don't consider Russians better than any other European nation simply for that though. They have higher poverty rates than any EU nation. And are quite low on the human development index from a European perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    Nordic nations are all very high on the list, Iceland and Scandinavia are highest
    As I said, their games of praise and scorn should be irrelevant to us.

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    So since the Red army conquered Germany they are superior?
    Inconclusive.

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    The most powerful in Europe today is Russia, they would squash any European nation easily.
    Not surprising since our Nordic spirit is broken, it has no place in the political will of our people .

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    I don't consider Russians better than any other European nation simply for that though.
    And who cares? This isn't about better or worse, it is about what is us and what is not us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    Ive never heard of Swedish Empires, of course British had Empire but so did the Spaniards. Anyways all these empires are recent in comparison to the Ancient. I'm just saying saying that Northern Europe was culturally backwards for 1000 years before Southern Europe. Civilization flowed from south to north, this is common historical knowledge.
    I accidentally thanked you when I wanted to quote you. Like Jäger and BritishWitch said, there was monuments and kingdoms here thousands of years before the pyramids at Giza.

    During the reign of Tutankhamun Swedes traded with Egyptians quite extensively, and there has even been a throne found in Sweden from that period that looks exactly like king Tutankhamen's.

    What you have studied in school (I take it you haven't actually been doing research on your own) is the Anglo-American version of history that's being forced upon all of us. You have to look for yourself if you want to be sure that you get the big picture.

    Some links for you, "teasers" if you will:

    http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6s

    http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hav%C3%A4ngsd%C3%B6sen

    http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slutarpsd%C3%B6sen

    These are a few of the monuments that are more than 5000 years old.
    Leave behind the weak, we must take the strong in hand:
    Together are the wicked violent forces in command

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    There were also monuments and cities in North America built by Amerindians (e.g. Hopewell Mounds, Poverty Point, Cahokia, Chaco Canyon) so the northern Europeans of the Neolithic and Bronze Age need not have been literate people with state-level societies (as opposed to tribes or chiefdoms) to achieve what they did.
    Literacy and urbanization don't seem to have occurred until contact with Etruria, Greece and Rome, although there was a lot of contact between Bronze Age northern/central Europeans and the Eastern Mediterranean (Kristian Kristiansen has written about this.)

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