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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    So does this:


    ...as well as most of the depictions posted on the white history site to prove Nordicism in ancient Egypt. Many show either white or colourless hair as opposed to golden.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oski View Post
    Perhaps the ruling class were australoid
    The picture of the blacks with white hair was foreign dignitaries, Nubians from the south coming to offer homage.

    Probably most Egyptians were semitic, but there seems to be considerable evidence to make a plausible assertion that they were ruled for a time by a nordic elite, as India and Africa were in the 1800s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    Admittedly these may be wigs but they are very "hair like" up close.
    There is however a classical reference , I think in "The Civil War" by Caesar, (I'll have to verify this, or track it down- which will take some re reading) where he states he was surprised to see blondes at the court of Cleopatra that were as "blonde as Rheinlanders." Wether these were slaves, mercenaries, Greeks or albinos is not said)

    You might very well be thinking of the Celts which were Cleopatra's elite bodyguard.

    By the third century B.C., at the height of their greatest expansion, the Celts had spread from their Rhineland home as far west as Ireland and east to Turkey's central plain, as far north as Belgium and south to Cadiz in Spain. They had crossed the Alps and defeated the armies of the Etruscan empire and had occupied Rome and invaded the Greek peninsula. Formidable warriors armed with iron weapons, they would find their way to Egypt and into Queen Cleopatra's elite bodyguard. Tracking the progress of the Celts through the ancient world, this compelling history celebrates more than their warfare, for the Celts also developed agricultural techniques that even the Romans adopted. They cut the first roads through impenetrable European forests, displayed exuberant genius in their metalwork, monumental stone carvings, glassware, and jewelry, exerted influence on Greek philosophers and Roman surgeons, and made Irish the third literary language of Europe, after Latin and Greek.

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    Egyptians were very aquainted with Semites. These were depicted with yellow skin in the painted reliefs. The Egyptian word for bandit being a "Hebrou". Artistic formality always portrayed the Egyptians as being lobster coloured. (A colour caucasions still become when sun burned).
    So ancient Egyptians were certainly never Semites. They do contain a Somalid/ semitc element now though, the majority being descended from any number of peoples that have passed that way.
    The Copts in Egypt claim a somewhat contaminated lineage back to the classical Egyptians. They are now a dispossessed 10% minority confined to dung clearance and scavenging rubbish dumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Here you can look at actual ancient Greek paintings. They have white skin and black hair. Not blond, blue eyed Nordics

    http://traumwerk.stanford.edu/philol...riadne_15.html
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    Scroll down not the first painting you see.

    Dionysus by the Kleophrades Painter (note Maenads on either side of Dionysus holding thrysoi and [bearded] serpents) Munich: Antikensammlungen # 8732, end of 5th c. BCE
    This depiction of Dionysus as a black haired man is quite consequential:

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    Homeros offers neither polemic nor dogma, says Erwin Rohde, and in this single sentence Rohde has defined the very essence of true religion. This profound student of the Hellenic nature adds: Homeros has little interest in omens and ecstasies, lacking any taste for such. It is the moderation of a superior race which resounds from every page of the Iliad, and echoes in all the temples of Hellas. But beneath this creative level, there lurked and proliferated Pelasgian, Phoenician, Alpine (racial term, as in Alpinid), and, later, Levantine values. Continually, in proportion to the strengths of these races, their gods intruded. If the gods of the Greeks were heroes of light and heaven, the gods of the Levant were of the earth. Demeter, Hermes and others are essential creations of the alien racial soul. Pallas Athena is a warrior protectress of the life struggle: the Pelasgian Ares is a monster dripping blood, Apollo is the god of the lyre and song: Dionysos (at least in his non Aryan aspect) is the god of ecstasy and frenzied lust.
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    However, Apollo’s magnanimity had the result that the chthonic gods continued their subterranean life. After the later miscegenation between the Greeks and the aborigines, neither the chthonic nor the celestial deities appear again in pure form. They mingle in the Dionysian rites. Although Dionysos represents the father right, he also becomes the god of the dead upon whom Antigone calls. He loses the clear, strong character of Apollo, and becomes effeminate and drunken. Ultimately, he sinks down into all that is demonic, Maenadlike, and nocturnal. Even the animals consecrated to this demonic god are dark. Only at night is homage paid. Everything Dionysian in Greek life appears as something racially and spiritually alien—and ancient. It is to become the surest sign of the psychic deterioration which paralleled the attenuation of the Nordic blood.
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    This seems an interesting comment on modern Egypytians.
    http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...%3Den%26sa%3DG

    Whilst not a big fan of the haplotype arguments. (Any half breed can have a Western European haplotype; but it doesn't make them one of us) the Archaeology does show at least in the artistic evidence there was a blue eyed element in the culture bearing stratums of Egypt and Greece that went extinct. The cultural decline corresponding to the genetic extinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    http://www.white-history.com/hellenes.htm

    I always found the Nordic claims suspect. You can look at ancient Greek statues and such. They look white but not particularly Nordic :-\

    Yeah i always found alot of the claims in that book pretty suspect.

    Anyway, I dont believe the Spartans were ever Germanic. They were part of the Aryan race, and they may have been lighter skinned then now, but i've never heard them as German.

    Although, until a couple months ago i never knew the original Romans were Celtic, so anythings possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsparta View Post
    Anyway, I dont believe the Spartans were ever Germanic. They were part of the Aryan race, and they may have been lighter skinned then now, but i've never heard them as German.
    They predated the modern definition of 'Germanic'. They were essentially the same people racially, some of whom later developed into what we now know as 'Germanic'
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsparta View Post
    Yeah i always found alot of the claims in that book pretty suspect.

    Anyway, I dont believe the Spartans were ever Germanic. They were part of the Aryan race, and they may have been lighter skinned then now, but i've never heard them as German.

    Although, until a couple months ago i never knew the original Romans were Celtic, so anythings possible

    LOL, yeah Arthur Kemp's book is trash. He is in no means a credible source.

    The ancient Spartans were a Greek tribe.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivalin View Post
    Wow, threads like these really bring out the whack jobs. History is about looking at evidence and discerning the truth from it, not fabricating evidence to suit your ideology,these fantasies about nordic ubermen founding every piece of world civilization are ridiculous, and unsurprisingly always backed up by the most ridiculous evidence. Yes the Spartan citizens were of different racial stock, if I recall correctly Dorian rather than Ionian; they were not however, nordic.
    LOL yeah Nordic Ubermen bringing every world civilization but when the Greeks and Romans were doing their thing Northern Europeans were illiterate and had nothing of world importance(no cities, philosphy etc). When I take a western Civilization class It's starts in Southern Europe and Northern Europe only starts becoming relevant during the medieval times.

    So if Nordic Ubermen made all the civilizations in the Mediterranean why the heck could they not do it in Northern Europe (ala their racial homeland)?????.

    Doesnt make much sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    I've seen a lot of debate about these things on many forums and never wanted to get involved as it does take a lot of time and research. I hope other people can certainly help back up the Germanic historical view point. I am certainly no nazi apologist. Nazism was a disaster for the Germanic peoples.
    I am though forced to defend my people from the deliberate attempt by non Germanics to delete my people from history, culturally and biologically.
    I believe Art history is evidence enough for depictions of my kind throughout history. Xanthus is the Greek word for Gold not yellow. Hellenes looked like they were descended from Blonde Helen (Queen of Sparta). In the Peloponessian war (Thucydides), the Athenians are horrified that the Spartans enslave other Hellenes (the Xanthic Messenians), yet think it perfectly acceptable to enslave black haired Ionians. Athenian democracy was run on a hair color apartheid system that initially prohibited non Xanthoi from voting.
    Its like the Spartans being gay argument. I don't buy that either. Some people just have an agenda to muddy the waters.
    Last time I read Plutarch he explained how non Spartans assumed homosexuality amongst the Spartans but that the Greek word for lover and inspiration were the same. Therefore the proper relationship between an older warrior and youth was that of a mentor. Plutarch further qualifies this by saying that the Spartans would consider nothing more disgusting than for an olderman to persue a youth for sexual reasons.
    The reason Greece is a rubbish country now is entirely due to the loss of Nordic blood. Compulsory marriage to Asians dictated by Alexander. 1000 years of muti-cultural Rome and Muslim rape have left a stunted dark population that doesn't even have the same "hunter" body proportions of the classical Greeks.
    Classical Athens only had a population of 50,000 people and yet produced 200 of the worlds greatest minds. Modern Greece has the lowest IQ in Europe.
    I would like to argue in time that the Germanic peoples once inhabited all Eurasia as far as Japan, and Siberia ( frozen mummies, wide eyed ceramics and megaliths initially back this up) and Africa as far as the Tassili plateau (rock art). As well as creating Indian civilisation and extending Hindu influence to Cambodia and Indonesia. (Its such a huge project I can't do it alone.)
    Its not a fantasy, it is archaeology that can't be ignored. (like the blonde mummies in south America and the Inca skeleton recently fond in Norway.)
    My point in arguing this is just that we are a rare and valuable breed that needs some self awareness to prevent its extinction. (Its like the European horse- its carved on the Parthenon freeze- but it only survives today in Iceland. How do we know this? because the Parthenon horses are doing the TOLT. The fifth gait that only the Iceland pony can do.


    uhh modern Greece today is not Rubbish, it's actually rated higher on the Human development index than Germany and Great Britain

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    http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

    And Greece does not have the lowest IQ..It's IQ is actually higher than Ireland's although albeit lower than most Germanic nations. Also Italy has the highest IQ in Europe according to Richard Lynn and his book "IQ and Global Inequality".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    ... but when the Greeks and Romans were doing their thing Northern Europeans were illiterate and had nothing of world importance(no cities, philosphy etc).
    They had what they needed to destroy the civilized Roman empire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    So if Nordic Ubermen made all the civilizations in the Mediterranean why the heck could they not do it in Northern Europe (ala their racial homeland)?????.
    They did, don't you know of the Frankish, British or Swedish empires?
    Who knows how long it took them to form the Roman empire?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Infamous View Post
    uhh modern Greece today is not Rubbish, it's actually rated higher on the Human development index than Germany and Great Britain
    The HDR is of no interest.
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    Blah Blah Blah Northern Europeans were beating their chests and dancing naked to crackling fires.... Where have we heard this one?

    Too bad if you actually studied Roman History in depth, you'll realize that the Gaulic tribes were actually quite advanced (better metallurgy than your holier-than-thou Romans) and important trading partners with Rome. I'm sure if those Barbarians were completely uncivilized and armed with stone-pointed spears, than they wouldn't have been able to sack the Roman Kingdom and Republican Rome all those countless times. Oh and best you not open the page on the collapse of the Roman Empire (you might not like the part where Germanic Armies pushed aside the scrawny 5''4 Romans and conquered the Peninsula).


    Rather the Germanic people were rather resilient, given how awful the terrain was, the lack of sea transport (the Mediterranean is a calm sea and easily navigable. You would have died walking from Berlin to Munich back then, unless you somehow had reassurance of a food supply and lodging).
    Consequently the biggest factor was agriculture. Most of Northern and Central Europe isn't suitable for grain farming but ranching. There's a reason why the Germans love their "meat and potatoes"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    They had what they needed to destroy the civilized Roman empire.
    If the claims about Rome are not exaggerated, than most of the Roman men were probably involved in an orgy, whilst Germanic battleaxe wielding soldiers were knocking down the walls.

    Fact is that the decline of Roman Genetics and the introduction of degeneracy was the very thing which caused Rome to collapse (or rather contract and wither away a la Byzantium). Quite different from the days of the Republic and Augustus, when the Romans were regarded as fierce opponents and even if they managed to lose the first battle, would quickly adapt and emerge victorious the next day.


    The Germanic invasion of Rome wasn't done for the hell of it. Before the end of the Western Roman Empire, there were large scale massacres of Romanized Germanic peoples, who were easily identified by their light skin and light hair, in contrast to the other subjects of the Empire. Many of the Romanized Germanic soldiers deserted upon hearing the news and played a key role in invading the peninsula.

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