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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    There are no facial features at all.
    Granted, the facial features are extremely simplified, but if I wanted to depict a Nordid face in simple terms, it wouldn't look very much like the Egyptian artefacts we have. The nose and eye shape imparticular are far more reminiscent of modern Egyptians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    There is also a blonde mummy.
    Yes. Interesting discovery it was. Only proves that ancient Nordids travelled though - something which I don't dispute. In fact, unrecorded pre-history and lost civilisations are an interest of mine and I believe man was more civilised and well-travelled circa 10-5,000 BC than we give him credit for. Like these Mexican depictions of Africans for example - the Olmec Heads:



    ..but the vast majority of Egyptian depictions show black hair. The few that don't, still share the same facial features and/or family lineage as the dark-haired ones. I've seen more evidence to suggest that the Egyptians were Egyptians and very, very little to suggest otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post


    Some have argued that, since the Olmec Colossal Heads look so very
    different from the physiology of Mayan sculptures, the people who
    carved them must have been of a different race. Even setting aside the
    fact that many "Mayan features" shown on sculptures involved the active
    deformation of physiology, this is not a tenable argument; the ancient
    peoples of the Gulf Coast were not Mayans -- the Olmec have been shown
    to be Mixe-Zoquean, a completely different native group, and there is
    no reason to expect them to have Mayan features. Further, the features
    represented in the Olmec sculptures -- flat, wide noses and thick,
    fleshy lips -- are common to many different Native American cultures,
    from the Inuit to the Andeans.

    A look at the Native Americans who presently live in the Gulf Coast
    area, in fact, reveals striking similarities between these peoples and
    the Olmec Heads. There is no reason to believe, from a physiological
    standpoint, that the Olmec Heads were not created by these people's
    ancestors.

    Taking a closer look at these peoples, it is obvious that proponents of
    African origin theories have also ignored that the naturalistic Olmec
    sculptures show other features that do not exist at all in black African
    physiology, but that are common to Native Americans (who trace their
    ancestry back to Asians). Most notably, the sculptures have epicanthic
    ("asian") folds over the eyes, and those that are not shaven have very
    straight hair.

    Ignoring that these features (fleshy lips, wide noses, epicanthic folds,
    and straight hair) are common among many different Native societies
    throughout the Americas, some have claimed that this combination of
    features indicates a racial mixing of Native Americans with Africans.
    Modern-type DNA analysis, however, has so far not shown ANY African
    haplotypes among the various Pre-Columbian Amerindian populations
    studied.

    Finally, there is no concrete archaeological evidence of African
    cultures in the New World in Pre-Columbian times -- no imported
    animals or plants, no imported artifacts, no imported techniques,
    not even any imported materials from which native objects may have
    been made. In fact, there is no known black African culture that
    produced colossal, naturalistic stone sculptures like the Olmec
    Heads.

    There is, however, overwhelming archaeological evidence that the
    Olmec Colossal Heads were made by and for Native Americans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    That's the way they drew hair.
    I had a bit more of a read of the white-history website. There are some brow-raising pictures in there that cause the mind to wander, but just when I was beginning to think there might be some kind of credence to the concept of blonde Egyptians, I stumbled on this image:



    The website states that they are Nubians, and yet, they too have 'blonde' hair. So for that reason, I can't hold the pictures you posted as proof of Nordid Egyptians.. for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    That painting is from the 16th century, as far removed from the times of ancient Greece as we are from the times of Jesus Christ.
    Scroll down not the first painting you see.

    From what I've dug up: the oldest manuscript written in an Aryan language was found in China!! Similarly old ones are found in Tibet! It would seem that a very tiny group of Aryans had an influence on early Chinese civilization. Since the other %99.5 of the population was not Aryan over the course of thousands of years the blood was diluted and little evidence of it in modern East Asians.

    Egypt: linguistically not Aryan (like the chinese) yet the religion and culture has a very strong Aryan element. The royalty considered themselves racially different than normal Egyptians. The pharos would marry brother and sister to keep their blood pure. They look like some cross between Aryan and Semite, but definately more Aryan than the average Egyptian.
    Look at this bust:
    http://images14.fotki.com/v387/photo...fertiti-vi.jpg

    The royalty- like in China seem to be a mix of Aryans with the Native rulers. There is similar evidence of a lighter skinned, more Aryan ruling class in Sumeria. We also see the same thing in India- with a caste system still alive today. The top cast isn't 100% pure but pretty close to being pure "white" and the lower castes more dark native. A similar story happened with Greece and Rome (speculated modern Royalty can be traced back to Greek/Egyptian/or even sometimes Sumerian bloodlines) the old bloodlines intermarried with the native kings/cheifs. When Rome invaded Northern Europe they did the same thing- the nobility was mostly Roman- taking an occasional intermarriage with a native chief. Nobility even in Europe did not typically interbreed with the commoners.

    Now the Jews have done similar- interbreeding with royalty and the most wealthy and powerful Aryans to establish their own modern dynasty- trying to replace the Aryans as the world's dominant race.

    You can't compare the 1% or even 10% royalty to the other 90% of the population- they are racially different. Though I admit a strong Aryan element in these dynasties they certainly aren't 100% pure to what we call Aryans today and they sure weren't blond/blue eyed Nordics.

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    Question this is very interesting - please, post more about this:

    From what I've dug up:
    the oldest manuscript written in an Aryan language was found in China!!
    Similarly old ones are found in Tibet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I had a bit more of a read of the white-history website. There are some brow-raising pictures in there that cause the mind to wander, but just when I was beginning to think there might be some kind of credence to the concept of blonde Egyptians, I stumbled on this image:



    The website states that they are Nubians, and yet, they too have 'blonde' hair. So for that reason, I can't hold the pictures you posted as proof of Nordid Egyptians.. for now.
    That looks like white hair, not blond hair (as in the other pic). Black people get white hair when they get older. It likely would have been tribal elders who showed up to give gold offerings, so they well could have had white hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    That looks like white hair, not blond hair (as in the other pic).
    So does this:
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    ...as well as most of the depictions posted on the white history site to prove Nordicism in ancient Egypt. Many show either white or colourless hair as opposed to golden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post

    Perhaps the ruling class were australoid


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    March of the Titans is a terrible source to reference. The book is so obviously laden with half-truths, embellishments, simplifications and outright fabrications that it baffles me to see it cited again and again.

    Equally baffling is the belief in an primordial Nordic Mediterranean people, who through very tenuous, highly localized contact with negroids, became almost ubiquitously dark-haired and dark-skinned, but for some unfathomable reason didn't inherit negroid craniometrics or facial features of any kind.

    A lot of people misinterpret the word 'blonde'. Blonde doesn't mean the same thing to Mediterranean people Northern Europeans. Not now and not then. It may be true that slaves were relatively darker than nobles, but that doesn't mean Spartan nobles were nordid.

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    To make the argument credible we have to have both sides of the argument.
    http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...%3Den%26sa%3DN

    This was a good thread. This gives plenty of sources that there was a significant Nordic elemnt in Greece in the classical period.
    I tend to go with the archaeology as shown in art and in the corrobarating classical texts.
    There is a problem with the blonde mummies as this may be due to chemical reactions. The apparent negroes with blonde hair can be explained by a dyeing process using cow urine but these images are undeniable.

    Nefertiti A Hittite Princess



    Berbers



    An Egyptian scribe



    An Egyptian woman


    Egyptians.
    Admittedly these may be wigs but they are very "hair like" up close.
    There is however a classical reference , I think in "The Civil War" by Caesar, (I'll have to verify this, or track it down- which will take some re reading) where he states he was surprised to see blondes at the court of Cleopatra that were as "blonde as Rheinlanders." Wether these were slaves, mercenaries, Greeks or albinos is not said)

    Anyway the debate was about Spartans. Whilst we can say there was always a White element in ancient Egypt, periodically reinforced from the North. What is the habeus corpus Archaeological evidence of Germanic Spartans.
    It appears the volcanic eruption on Thera in crete caused a cooling of northern europe circa 1200 BC.
    Prior to this Denmark was balmy.

    note the mini skirt.
    The Danes at the time had horned helmets and circular shields.

    Amber was traded from the Baltic as far as Egypt.
    At this time a southward migration began evidenced by the distribution of Germanic flange hilted swords. Alloys specifically from Heligoland ore.

    Sourced from Jurgen Spanuths book "Atlantis of the North" and "Ancient Europe" by Stuart Piggot.
    Simultaneously in the Meditteranean "The peoples of the Sea" appear. These peoples are depicted on the bass reliefs at Medinet Habu in Egypt. The Egyptian chronicals ( Michael wood- The Trojan war), describe how the Sea Peoples made a conspiracy in their distant Islands. One of the tribes was called the "Danuna" (Danes? Tuatha de Danaan?)
    Their boats are of the long boat type with a prow at either end.
    In Michael woods documentary series the Sea peoples are shown in Egyptian Art as being red haired and blonde. Pharoah defeats them. The Nuraghi forts of Sardinia have turned up effigies with the same circular shields and horned helmets of the Danish pattern.
    It is also at this time that the Dorians enter Greece. All the cities of the Heroic age are burned; Mycenae, Tyryns, Pylos, Thebes, Orchmenos.
    It is this input that leads to the eventual Greek Xanthoi of the Classical period.



    This statue of an Ephebe (Athenian ciizen in military service has honey coloured paint for the hair.)

    As does this.

    A recent exhibition had reconstructions of all the surviving paintwork on Classical greek statuary.

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