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    What is Wrong with Urban Living?

    The inhuman scale. High incidences of poor mental health. Transient populations hide anonymously in cities. Urban social degeneration in the form of family and community break up. Lack of space. No direct connection with the earth. Even the sun is blotted out by urban smog and the building density. Like factory farms, the high population density is unnatural. There is much talk of urban ‘communities’. The very fact that the plural of community is used betrays the fact that the people are inherently divided into competing, if not actually mutually suspicious or even hostile groups sharing the same geographic location.

    Nowhere at any time has any densely packed group of people without shared heritage and aims ever peacefully coexisted. Inter-communal strife is the norm, not the exception. A small minority can peacefully exist as a religious or ethnic minority provided they are respectful, at least outwardly, to the majority, and to the extent that their numbers do not increase beyond a certain level at which the majority feel in any way threatened, whether this threat is real or imagined. Toleration is the best they can expect. Until recently we were told by our social planners that we should be tolerant. Now mere tolerance isn’t enough, more is expected.

    It is clear that those with the greatest wealth who feel compelled to work and play in the urban environment usually live at least in the more pleasant outskirts of the conurbation, even many miles away in a rural environment, if they can afford the time and transport costs to live at ‘arms’ length’ from the source of their wealth.

    So why does an ever increasing majority of the world’s population live in cities? Who benefits? Certainly not those millions of poor souls crammed into closely packed houses and apartments, surrounded by the constant drone of traffic. They even have to endure the screams and shouts of their stressed and quarrelling neighbours. In apartments they might even be unfortunate enough to have to suffer the sounds of toilet habits and lovemaking of those next door, above and below them. Most urban dwellers don’t even have the retreat of a small private quiet garden.

    Urban centres, or cities, have developed because of economies of scale. It’s cheaper and more efficient for business to have millions of people crammed into a few square miles than to have these people spread over the land with room to live and to be, in many respects, self-sufficent. In the short-term the necessary work and investment to enable the masses to live with space and dignity in touch with the land and in a safer genuine community, where people know each other is deemed uneconomical. It’s certainly undesirable for big business and the powers that be to keep the squabbling increasingly divided masses in their urban communities.

    The evidence, in the form of increasing crime and social strife which is more than proportionate to the size of cities. There is also a cultural influence affecting the levels of pollution and crime, but as a clearly obvious general rule, the bigger the city the bigger the problem. Every day news items and people's experiences show that the urban environment represents some of the worst aspects of humanity and is in many ways anti-humanity.
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    Sad Reposting from another topic, cause it fits here also

    ... I would like to stress the fact that immigration comes largely as a result of urbanization (that, as a result comes from capitalist 'modern lifestyle trends).

    Villages and small communities are deserted as all its young flea to the big cities to pursue fancier jobs and lifestyles.

    Then the local (which is, in reality, not local, as they feed the whole country and also export goodies abroad) trades are in desperate need of someone to do the 'dirty job', and this is where the immigrants come in.

    Your family trade suddenly not good enough for you? Everyone now wants to be 'businessman', 'executive', 'doctor', 'lawyer'?

    This is also how it started in Greece during the early 90s. The first "lifestyle" magazines and TV shows appeared, telling everyone to 'modernize' their lifestyles and gain a new 'status quo' for themselves.

    Like cattle, people who had been farmers and goat herders for ages, left the villages and rushed to the cities, to lend money from the banks in order to create a new 'urban' image for themselves:
    expensive car, new wardrobe, sending the kids to expensive private college and teach them to settle for no less than a job of a white-collar worker.

    All of the sudden, it was a big shame to admit that you come from a farmer, fisherman, agriculture family, and everyone was trying to get rid of their village accents and adopt a flat, more neutral, 'downtown' one.

    This happened for about a decade and then the economy started collapsing as there was noone left to do the aforementioned 'dirty jobs', and they were those that really sustain the country and not the bankers and lawyers.

    And on those grounds, some Minister decided that we need 'working hands' to help us out and opened the border to Albanian criminals, and later to other kinds of thirld worlders -that have not been working in the fields, but living on illegal trades too.

    Has this happened to your own countries?

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    Thumbs Down ...Not to mention

    ...the mass psychological effects of urbanization.

    People tend to become self-absorbed in their own little strife for wealth, their debts, their competitiveness.

    They walk around like zombies, too blinded from their own stress to notice anything that's happening around them.

    They spend half of their days working in mind-numbing desk jobs that make their minds work in a mechanistic, automated fashion, and spend the rest of the day by being conditioned by the television in order to buy more, spend more.

    They become more and more socially incompetent as due to individuality and competition, they have lost all essense of human interaction and companionship.

    They have no contact with nature, a fact which makes stress and depression skyrocket in urban populations, the remedy of which being strengthening the pharmaceutical companies by gulping anti-depressants like candy, and also...shopping therapy

    The worst yet, is the mass genocide that occurs in urban environments, as women spend their productive years in studies and career and birth rates decline significantly every year.

    Let alone, that due to pollution and exhausting, unnatural conditions of life, a great portion of the population has become infertile, hence the wide percentage of artificial pregnancy institutes in European countries where urbanization is most present.

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    Great thread. I've long opposed urban living - not merely because of the experience itself, but because of what it represents and the reasons for its surge. When asking why urban living has expanded, the obvious answer is, as Blaxis said, efficiency. But I know another reason. Call me a looney if you like but it's a part of the Globalist agenda (or New World Order, if you will) to promote centralisation. Urban living = better control.

    For this reason, I'll refuse urban living for as long as I live. I live just 30 miles from London. My girlfriend studied and lived there for 3 years and many of my friends have moved there, so I'm very familiar with the place. I'm a designer and the bulk of well-paid design jobs are in London, and yet, I refuse to give in. I know I'd adapt to it but that's something I never want to do.

    On another note, I'm actually glad the majority of people (particularly immigrants) have piled into large cities. I couldn't stand to see rural towns and villages swamped by urbanites and immigrants. I just hope those communities accept me (a suburbanite) when I'm finally able to join them.
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    How can people have any sense of community? Thanks to modern transport half the people in your "Urban Village" Arn't even from the community they come in and work in the big office blocks and then go back home, how are you supposed to feel a community bonding with these people? They probably think very little of your community it's just "the place where I work" to them.

    Urban socieites are smoggy and noisey, not even the latest windows avaliable to sombody on a middle class income will block out the mass of cars all beeping at each other as they have a meeting to get too during rush hour, there seems to be very few streets in Urban areas that arn't connected to a busy commuter street one way or another which makes your life a constant noise!

    I'm sure we could all talk about the problems of Urban living forever, at the end of the day the whole system of it kills us.
    Our own sickness is what has caused todays problems, and our own physical, but above all; spiritual health, will be what delivers us to a new Golden Age.

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    Excellent posts here. I think all nationalists and cultural preservationists need to promote ruralism/anti-urbanism as a popular selling point. Back-to-the-land type ideologies still have great popular appeal. The media tend to reflect nationalism in a negative light - Simple agrarian-centred living can counteract this and we will be seen as presenting a positive alternative.

    We need more of this stuff!

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    I moved from a major urban area to the country ten years ago, and would not go back voluntarily.

    Berrocscir, I think you have a good point. I'm just kinda thinking out loud here—call it brainstorming—but it seems to me that 'cultural preservation' has a bad rap, but if you took the label off the cultural preservation, identified the components of the culture you're trying to preserve, and then promoted that, you might be able to get somewhere.

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    I disagree. Urban centers are hell-holes because they are a sign of society as a whole. They are like society as a whole to the tenth power. A healthy society would have healthy cities.

    Maybe a city like New York is heavily packed in but i live in Cincinnati and there are lots of trees and room for sunshine. The pollution is bad but most of that could be brought under control if public transporation was better and factories more concerned with the environment. It's very loud and noisy, but again is because the people themselves. They run loud sirens for no reason and trains blow loud horns for no reason (supposedly to warn people to get off the tracks but you can feel the ground shake and see the train coming a mile away and hear it without the horn). The neighbors will drive you crazy because you are packed in but only because the neighbors are uncivilized.

    The quality of the people is the problem, not urban living itself.

    In regards to people not being connected to their communities or the transient population. It's exactly the same in the suburbs or in the country. In the country you aren't connected to much because you don't really have neighbors and in the suburbs people live next door and have no real relationship.

    People likewise can easily be connected to a small scale community (like a church) while living in the city if they wanted to. And Cincinnati for example being an old city is organized into small "villages" that are part of the city. For example I live in Elmwood. it is less than one square mile inside the city limits. We have a unique history and a town hall, and our own police department etc. inside the city. We were at one time ethnically different than the neighboring districts. All of that has eroded but at least in the past people had strong roots living here in the city.

    No I hate what the city has become today but I'm not against urbanization in principle. A city can be an amazing symbol of human accomplishment like major public works projects, statues, buildings etc. I sometimes fantasize about what this city would be like if it was inhabited with civilized people.

    For example Over the Rhine is a major section of down town Cincinnati. So name for the German immigrants who built the area who came from the Rhine valley of Germany. It has beautiful Gothic architecture and was once a vibrant community with roots and where most people knew each other (as i said we were split into subsections of the city just like New York has Brooklyn and Queens etc. this used to be how all cities were). Now Over the Rhine is practically 100% black and a total sh*t hole of human habitation. I think cities can be wonderful things- its our society that is sick.

    Nonetheless we still need rural living too.

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    The Germanic contempt for city living has several aspects.
    Firstly different ethnicities respond differently to different population concentrations. Some people like crowds. I bet a lot of Germanics don't. Go walking in the hills and you will always find Germanic hikers getting away from it all. Could you really live in Gaza or live in a Chinese type tower block?
    (Animals also respond badly to over crowding) Experiments with rats and mice both showed over population caused infertility. The males started to become homosexual or bite each others genitals off. The females abandoned their young to die. In time the test population became extinct.
    Cities are regarded as cultural vacuums by town planners. They can suit tribalist ethnics such as Jews and Muslims probably italians and Lebanese. (In Serbia the towns were wholly Muslim- the countryside Serb).
    Cities are seen as places of fun and entertainment by Germanics but they are not conducive to family life. (every year in London 100,000 men and 100,000 women die of old age having had no children.)
    Germanic children need to run wild and free catching fish, climbing trees and wandering through fields and woods without danger of abduction or murder.

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