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    Germans Disappointed by Reunification

    Society 02.01.2009

    Deutsche Welle.


    Germans Disappointed by Reunification, New Poll Shows

    - The euphoria after the fall of the Berlin Wall has all but disappeared 20 years on

    Almost 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, most Germans are disappointed at what the country has achieved since reunification, a new survey shows.

    The survey carried out by Forsa for the Friday edition of the Berliner Zeitung daily found that the majority of the 1,000 Germans polled were dejected by the developments of the last two decades in the country.

    "The euphoria that dominated after the fall of the Berlin Wall has largely disappeared," Forsa chief Manfred Guellner told news agency AFP.

    Only 46 percent of Germans in the former communist east said their personal situation had improved. That number was as high as 71 percent in 1989.

    According to the survey, every fourth person in eastern Germany believes that life is worse now in the eastern states than it was under communism until 1989. Only 39 percent believe they have profited from reunification.

    The picture wasn't much different in western Germany where 40 percent said their lives had improved since the end of Communism; in 1989 that number was 52 percent.

    Attitudes hardening, expert says

    Guellner said attitudes and prejudices had hardened on both sides.

    Whereas the eastern Germans think they have been exploited and got a raw deal, "western Germans have the feeling that they have simply footed the bill for eastern Germany," he said.


    Helping depressed former East Germany has long been a priority for the German government. The eastern states are still struggling with massive unemployment and under-investment, and has one trillion dollars has already been transferred from west to east since reunification.

    Separately, the Munich-based economic research institute Ifo predicted that the financial slowdown would widen the economic gap between eastern and western Germany.

    "In the short-and long-term, the eastern German states will show worse economic growth rates than the western ones," Ifo economic expert Joachim Ragnitz told news agency AP.

    Ragnitz pointed to eastern Germany's rapidly ageing population and the flight of younger people to western states as one of the prime reasons for the development, saying that only larger eastern cities such as Dresden, Potsdam or Leipzig would buck the trend.

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    1. so could the Eastern Lands be handed back to Russian care?

    2. could they ever become a separate state again ?

    3. can the Germans ever find true happiness?

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    I don't see how/why any kind of separatism between the East and the West would happen nowadays. The fact that Germans from the former East are dissatisfied with what the Reunification has brought doesn't mean that (they feel) the lands should be handed back to Russian care. The dissatisfaction is, as quoted in the article, primarily of economic and social, not political nature. I don't think the average person cares about communism or German-Russian friendship or the like, rather about that fact that during that era, they had jobs and something to put on the table, while after the Reunification, the situation has worsened. Unemployment rates are high, many lost their jobs as a result of the closing of industrial facilities typical of communist countries. Additionally many moved to the West in search for better jobs. This explains the aging population. There is a shortage of women as well: Shortage of Women in East Germany Causes Turmoil, Lack of Women in Eastern Germany Feeds Neo-Nazis. What these people probably don't realize however is that the communist economy would have have itself collapsed in the long run. In any case, there suggestions made in order to stop the exodus from the former East, such as raising the minimum wage: Tiefensee Says Eastern Germany is Doing Better. This thread might also be of interest on the matter: West Germany vs. East Germany

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    Germany has no future but extinction until it gets a Natural world view. In the mean time vast swathes of territory will be lost to foreign and Islamic colonisation.
    But have heart, Germania is where the people reside. If there were only 100 scattered Germanics left in the world, that is where Germania lives.
    Barring eventual National liberation by a National party Germany will in time be riven by civil wars and slaughter on the scale of the 30 years war (66% of the population killed, 90% of the property burned)

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    I cant quite see Germany becoming extinct (!) but the movement towards EU integration means that whatever economic difficulties there might be in the eastern Lands, they will be overshadowed by the problems elsewhere in the EuroZone and within the wider EU. It will be interesting to see if any serious movement for independence ever takes hold of the politics in the Republic; otherwise the general union of the European landmass will procede according to their plan.

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    I don't think that it necessarily reflects problems with the reunification. I think that if you took a similar poll in France, the country which most closely resembles the BRD in structure "are you better off than you were 20 years ago" you would receive a similar result.

    They should have encouraged internal migration rather than resisting it, it makes no sense to have one end of the country importing people from other continents to work while a few hours train ride away you have a large portion of the population unemployed. Many German companies have operations in the Czech Republic and other eastern European countries, the government should have/should suspend the onerous labor regulations in the former DDR (if not the entire country) in order to encourage German companies to build facilities in the former DDR rather than in countries further east. Raising the minimum wage will have the opposite effect, it will make companies less likely to locate there.
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    Most people I have spoken to from Germany cannot stand the EU and would rather leave it. But the governments are so liberal and love the Muslim colonization so much because immigrants help improve an already powerful economy. Their present situation has not improved because the huge differences between the east German and west German economies. Eventually it will all even out but it takes time. And Germania will never fall. The German population is the highest of all the other EU countries and is growing. Germany has the 4th largest economy in the world and if anything things are getting better. But the problem is the EU because it is a shared economy and so Germany is held back by all the other and weak EU countries. If Germany separated itself from the EU things would get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryskwiking View Post
    The German population is the highest of all the other EU countries and is growing.
    Yeah, but it's not the German part of the population which is growing. The birthrate is one of the lowest in the world, the population growth comes from immigration, as in all other western countries.
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    The reality of East Germans, by the FDJ leader:

    My mother has worked in the GDR as a professional medical laboratory assistant in a policlinic. Her professional qualification was not recognized by the FRG institutions. The policlinic she worked in was closed, she was fired and could not find an adequate job any more. First she was unemployed and today she is working for a low wage as a cashier at the drugstore Schlecker.

    The factory my father used to work in as a highly-qualified metal worker and fitter for medical furniture was also closed in the beginning of the Nineties. He was fired as well and to this day he could not find any work in a new job.

    Myself, I have looked for an apprenticeship in the information technology area after my finishing secondary school. Regarding the high rate of unemployment among the youth in the annexed GDR I had to be glad to get just any kind of apprenticeship and so I finished my apprenticeship as a bricklayer and today I am a qualified bricklayer. After my apprenticeship I was not taken over by my training company because of a lack of task. After eight months of unemployment, I have tried my luck to find a job in the West. At the companies there I got a job, but I never got any written work treaty, nor money on a regular basis and I was treated like s***. I did not get any help from the job center, but a stop of unemployment money after I had quit my job. Today as a qualified worker I am forced to be an unskilled worker and be away on the job. This means to be at home for three days a month and the way to work is unbelievably far. In my home region it is not possible on all accounts to find any work. The unemployment rate in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is now at 40 to 50 percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    The reality of East Germans, by the FDJ leader:

    My mother has worked in the GDR as a professional medical laboratory assistant in a policlinic. Her professional qualification was not recognized by the FRG institutions. The policlinic she worked in was closed, she was fired and could not find an adequate job any more. First she was unemployed and today she is working for a low wage as a cashier at the drugstore Schlecker.

    The factory my father used to work in as a highly-qualified metal worker and fitter for medical furniture was also closed in the beginning of the Nineties. He was fired as well and to this day he could not find any work in a new job.

    Myself, I have looked for an apprenticeship in the information technology area after my finishing secondary school. Regarding the high rate of unemployment among the youth in the annexed GDR I had to be glad to get just any kind of apprenticeship and so I finished my apprenticeship as a bricklayer and today I am a qualified bricklayer. After my apprenticeship I was not taken over by my training company because of a lack of task. After eight months of unemployment, I have tried my luck to find a job in the West. At the companies there I got a job, but I never got any written work treaty, nor money on a regular basis and I was treated like s***. I did not get any help from the job center, but a stop of unemployment money after I had quit my job. Today as a qualified worker I am forced to be an unskilled worker and be away on the job. This means to be at home for three days a month and the way to work is unbelievably far. In my home region it is not possible on all accounts to find any work. The unemployment rate in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is now at 40 to 50 percent.
    The issue is whether or not reunification contributed to these woes, the whole reason the Warsaw Pact went down was because of economic collapse of these countries.

    The BRD system is one of the more socialist systems in "the west", meaning they encourage the redistribution of wealth and maintenance of a static employment system, the problem is that this system discourages entrepreneurship and hiring expansions, so there's not too much incentive to create new jobs. However, this system is not any worse than that employed by the DDR.

    One thing I am wondering, if his parents were experts in those respective fields, why didn't they just take a few classes and get certified in their respective trades under the BRD standards?

    If the unemployment rate in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is now at 40 to 50 percent-then leave! IT and bricklaying were very high demand trades before the recent financial collapse, and are still probably better off than other fields. Under the current situation, nowhere is doing well, but certain areas like the UK and Ireland-where this guy, as an EU citizen, was free to legally work-were doing quite well for the past decade and a half.
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    Yeah, here we go, the town my family is from has 700 people applying for a position as a janitor. No thanks, I left this state/region a decade ago.

    http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x15693...st-job-Janitor

    Nearly 700 people have applied for a single job as a school custodian.

    Perry Local Schools have an open position — full time with benefits — at Edison Junior High School after its afternoon janitor retired. It pays $15 to $16 an hour.

    The job opened last Saturday, and district officials say the stack of applications continues to expand daily.

    So much so, the deadline to apply for the position was moved from yesterday to 3:30 p.m. Monday to give potential hires more time.

    Many of those who have applied say they lost their previous job due to budget cutbacks by their former employer.

    “A lot of people have their stories when they come in. It’s heart-wrenching,” said Superintendent John Richard.

    HOPE?

    Dane Steed, 51, forged blades at Heinemann Saw Co. in Canton for nearly four years until last month.

    He and several co-workers were let go because of a lack of work available. He put his name in the mix for Perry custodian post.

    “Times are bad,” the Plain Township man said.

    Steed said he has previous custodial experience at a school district and hopes he can retire at Edison.

    “I don’t want to be doing this again,” Steed said.

    Donna Croston, 49, of Plain Township, spent nine years on the assembly line at the Hoover Co. in North Canton before it closed last winter.

    Prior to Hoover, she lost another factory job because the plant shut down.

    For her, the custodial position at Edison represents more than a paycheck.

    “There’s a lot of people out there like me that are looking for stability,” Croston said Friday.

    Her two brothers are custodians for North Canton schools.

    “They all love their jobs. They’ve never been laid off,” Croston said.
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