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    In my experience it seems to matter immensely to women (as a general rule), but is of little importance to most men. A woman's 'power' or 'status' are rarely much of an aphrodisiac to men. Any man who has gained fame (even infamy) or otherwise improved his social status, will, if he's honest, report much more 'interest' from the female gender.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    Yes, it matters. Different classes of people tend to have different attitudes, values, lifestyles, etc. A gap too big in class can definitely affect the relationship....
    I think important key words there would include "tend to" and "can". I'd never write somebody off because of their background.
    Last edited by Haereticus; Saturday, January 3rd, 2009 at 04:29 PM. Reason: Addition

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    It matters only inasmuch as there aren't abysmal differences between us. That means, if someone is lower middle class it won't be a reason for me to say no (I'm upper middle class). But I don't think I'd feel comfortable with the creme de la creme people because they're a little bit too snobbish and uptight to my preference. The low class is a big no no too because it's full of beggars, gypsies and criminals. If the very extremes aren't touched it's not a problem.

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    There is no doubt that there is a correlation between class and intelligence. I do not mean that by that all working class men or women (I am myself one) are stupid or something, but not a few are lowly cultivated wearing marginal clothes and acting like an ape or worse, not better than an Arab or Turk.

    I pay attention to style, appearance, intelligence so I believe that in some point class does matter although not in a causal way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Sounds rather Marxist in my ears. Which parts of European populations did you have in mind?
    Marxism is exactly what it is, and you find this view on class among European social democratic and other left wing voters.

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    What exactly do we define class as these days? Is it just money or is it the way we act? What about a low income family who win the lottery, do they immediately become an upper class hierarchy? I think these people would also find themselfs very out of place at certain upper class events.

    I also would not link class and intelligence, It's a bit of a steriotype if you ask me if you ever have the mis-fortune of coming across programmes such as "my super sweet 16" you will see teenage girls who represent the lowest form of a steriotypical bimbo who doesn't even know who who the president of the united states is.

    Sombody who has earnt his class status by honourable means however definately links class with intelligence such as a brain surgeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Marxism is exactly what it is, and you find this view on class among European social democratic and other left wing voters.
    Key word: *Among*. A marginal 19th century Marxist world view is certainly not widespread among *large parts of the populations in most of Europe* in the 21st century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    Key word: *Among*. A marginal 19th century Marxist world view is certainly not widespread among *large parts of the populations in most of Europe* in the 21st century.
    Marginal? It was the very foundation of the successes of the entire socialist left, it isn't restricted to Marxists or Communists. The idea of the worker getting a royal screwjob by the rich capitalists and factory owners was the basis of the social democratic take over and subsequent choke hold over Europe. I am familiar with all of this because my entire extended family is made up of social democrats, I've grown up in the social strata that make up much of the social democratic power base today, lower middle class families of a "working class" background.

    The victim identity, the class warfare mindset, the contempt towards rich people in general and CEOs in particular, it is all very common in the Swedish wellfare state.

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    There is a common misconception that class is linked to wealth and income. It actually isn't. In Britain class is derived from noble lineage derived from the Norman Conquest and not recently aquired wealth.
    A monied American would be despised by the old style British upper class simply on account of being a colonial.
    In comparison there are Dukes and Barons in Britain living in council houses and derelict castles that remain old style English nobility, just as there are millionaire immigrants who are not accepted.
    I think 20th Century social mobility allowed some of the upper class to sink and for "new money" to rise.
    Amongst the old type English upper class (what is left of it) there is still an uncompromising element.
    Robert Maxwell the multi-millionaire media mogul was despised by the genuine British nobility whose shoulders he forced himself upon. In contrast I have had nothing but respect from the nobles I have encountered and whose land I have occasionally trespassed on.
    Personally I think you have to weigh someone up from evidence rather than lables. My grandfather was a miner, my mother a land owner. Some people might think I was a member of the under class but since they know nothing about me, their predjudice is their loss. I see myself as a King in my own right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Marginal?
    A 19th-century world view (including the Marxist class concept) in the 21st century is a marginal phenomenon, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    It was the very foundation of the successes of the entire socialist left, it isnt restricted to Marxists or Communists.
    Sounds like a rather bold statement, considering that the Bernsteinian version generally reject Marxist analyses, including the concept of class struggle and revolution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    I have grown up in the social strata that make up much of the social democratic power base today, lower middle class families of a *working class* background.
    Exactly! Yesterdays proletariat is todays middle class (the overwhelming majority of the population, electorate and *power base* in Sweden and other Germanic countries). The middle class, obviously, is not obsessed with *victim identity*, *class war*, or *contempt towards rich people in general and CEOs in particular*.

    http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/s...cle2842961.ece

    You said it yourself in another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    The socialists have always been an opportunist bunch, not afraid to use rethoric which suits the political sentiments of the population for maximal effect and support. [...] When their internationalism now has shown itself to be disastrous to the nation and the people, and people are starting to look for alternatives, they once again shift their colours, like a chameleont, draping their policies with the flag of the nation, paying lip service to the gullible crowds who want nothing more than for their leaders to look out for their interests.
    Opportunism and dogmatism are mutually exclusive.

    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    In Britain class is derived from noble lineage derived from the Norman Conquest and not recently aquired wealth. A monied American would be despised by the old style British upper class simply on account of being a colonial.
    This is a well known world wide phenomenon. The aristocracy has always despised the bourgeois (their values, world view, lifestyle etc. etc.).

    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    My grandfather was a miner, my mother a land owner. Some people might think I was a member of the under class but since they know nothing about me, their predjudice is their loss.
    Yes, class is arbitrary, fluctuating, unstable. The exception is, of course, the old nobility - a very small minority in our time.

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    Doesn't matter

    I say that it doesn't matter what your standing is. What does matter is whether or not the couple are on an even playing field intelligently. If they are both smart and can match wits with each other then the one of lower social standing could easily be raised to a higher standing.
    That and love conquers all. Sorry I just couldn't resist using that old line.

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