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    Blears Concern for 'Ignored Poor'

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7807446.stm

    She's not worried about the 'ignored poor' - she's worried that they might actually go out and vote!

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    Good of them to notice the fruits of their own policies though!

    Nothing they wanted more than to see England undermined......
    ..... they could almost be some foreign power

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    Ms Blears told the BBC the research showed it was important to get the debate out in the open, to stop the far right from "peddling myths" such as suggestions that immigrants got priority in social housing.
    Really? My eyes and the eyes of many other "white working class" were lying? We are all f***ing liars?

    Go to hell with your in touch mamby-pamby nonsense. We know the truth and we are on to you lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeornWulfWer View Post
    Really? My eyes and the eyes of many other "white working class" were lying? We are all f***ing liars?

    Go to hell with your in touch mamby-pamby nonsense. We know the truth and we are on to you lot.
    Well her sitting there on national tv telling us all we are liers is surely a good way to send your voters elsewhere!

    We are on to them and hopefully day by day more people are waking up to the real liers.

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    Everytime they open their mouth - we should kick it in!!

    Fortunately others also notice the living absurdity of it all -- what was it the old nationalists used to say ? -- Today, WE are the resistance! WE and countless thousands more! Anything but LABOUR!


    Britain's betrayed tribe: the white working class

    The Government is beginning to worry about the white working class.

    Telegraph View

    Last Updated: 10:01AM GMT 03 Jan 2009



    Hazel Blears, the "Communities Secretary", said yesterday that lower-income white people felt that their "acute fears" about immigration were being ignored. Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, now talks openly about the need to find jobs for the "indigenous population" { thats disgustingly so cheap!!!}.
    A decade ago, it would have been unthinkable for the Conservatives, let alone Labour, to say these things (!!!). Why have ministers started acknowledging the fears of people whom, until recently, they regarded as potential racists in need of multicultural re-education?

    The obvious answer is that Labour is frightened of losing tribal voters whom it could afford to take for granted in 1997, 2001 and 2005. Ms Blears was reacting to a government report that identifies "a real and perceived sense of unfairness" felt on estates around the country. Many of those estates are in constituencies, ranging from Bristol to the Pennines, where the Labour vote is on the point of collapse.


    It would be cynical (??), however, to assume that the Government is motivated only by electoral considerations. The more outspoken ministers, such as Ms Blears and Mr Woolas, know perfectly well that "health tourism" is stretching resources in NHS hospitals and encouraging anti-immigrant sentiment; they recognise that immigration must be limited (though they are not sure how); and they admit that the automatic translation of all official documents into myriad foreign languages "ghettoises people", as Mr Woolas bluntly puts it.

    Yet, even now, they refuse to take full responsibility for this state of affairs. For years, David Blunkett was supposed to be the unofficial voice of the white working class in the Labour Party; but it was Mr Blunkett who, as home secretary in 2003, declared that there was "no obvious limit" to the number of immigrants to our "crowded, vigorous island".


    The effects of the open-door policy of those years are still being felt. Since Mr Blunkett's statement, more than half a million East European workers have arrived in this country, and statistics from the Labour Force Survey show clearly that they have displaced British-born workers at the bottom of the pay scale. The number of illegal immigrants, meanwhile, is impossible to assess accurately; but what no one disputes is that many of them bring families who have to be housed, directly or indirectly, by the state.

    And yet still Ms Blears feels the need to dismiss stories of immigrants receiving preferential housing treatment as "myths", while the government report implies that the white working class do not understand the concept of "integration". In other words, Labour wants to acknowledge – even exploit – the justified anxieties of white British voters while still hinting that these "perceptions" are rooted in working-class ignorance. We suspect that this confused message will not play well at election time.

    But that is Labour's problem, not Britain's. The real priority is that the disastrous policies that have punished both British-born and immigrant residents of poor housing estates should be reversed. Fear of violent crime is directly related to the swamping of police forces by politically correct experiments in social engineering. According to the latest report, white residents of estates rarely meet black and Asian people. Why? Because the Government and local authorities are, even now, allowing minorities to settle into ethnic and religious ghettos.

    Hmm.

    The white working class did not choose to become alienated: it has been pushed to the margins by the politicians for whom it has voted for generations. The consequences of that betrayal affect us all. Labour's multiculturalism was divisive and wasteful at the best of times; its legacy in a period of economic crisis poses a dangerous threat to social cohesion.

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    OH the Folly of it --- a halfwit could have done better!!!
    Pitchforks, gentlemen!
    ...... and a Happy new Year

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    Number of migrant workers underestimated


    At least 170,000 more migrant workers are taking British jobs each year than official figures show because of undercounting in the employment statistics, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.

    03 Jan 2009



    The Labour Force Survey (LFS), the main Government tool for measuring changes in the workforce, fails to include any foreigners in the country for less than a year. In addition migrant workers living in communal properties are also excluded, meaning many thousands more could also be under the radar. ((??))


    The ommissions mask the total impact immigration has on the British labour force, prompting accusations from the Conservatives than ministers have misrepresented the situation.

    In total, foreign workers make up one in seven of the labour market, despite Gordon Brown's pledge to create "British jobs for British workers". Him !


    Figures in November showed migrants have accounted for all the growth in employment over the past two years while the number of Britons in work has fallen.

    Tory MP James Clappison, who uncovered the hidden workers, said: "This underlines the scale of penetration by foreign workers of the UK labour market and undermines still further the Government's claims about generating new jobs for UK workers.

    "This reflects the historically very high number of work permits handed out by the Labour Government to non-EU workers, which is clearly still continuing.

    "Labour has systematically misrepresented the level of migration into the country and the effect of its failed efforts to bring it under control."

    The LFS is one of the official employment counts published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) and is based on a survey of tens of thousands of households.

    But statisticians in the House of Commons Library admitted it does not include temporary migrant workers in the count.

    That is migrants who are working in the UK for less than a year but, in contrast, the survey does count temporary British workers who may only be in jobs for a few months.

    In a letter to Mr Clappison, the official wrote: "Based on ONS experimental short term migration estimates it is estimated that the number of temporary foreign workers not covered by the LFS is approximately 170,000.

    "In Jan-Mar 2008 the LFS estimated that there were 3,682,000 overseas-born individuals in employment in the UK (12.5 per cent of all in employment). If we add an extra 170,000 to the foreign worker total from the LFS, the proportion of all in employment who are foreign workers increases to 13 per cent."

    Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve said: "Not only does this reinforce just how unwise Gordon Brown's boast that he would deliver British jobs for British workers actually was, it also casts serious doubts on the integrity of the Government's figures.

    "Immigration can be of real benefit to the country but only if it's properly controlled." ..................... ( whatever this might mean !! )


    The official said the LFS also ignores anyone, foreign or British, who lives in communal establishments, such as hostels, mobile homes, boarding houses, hospitals and care homes.

    It is estimated there are at least 80,000 workers in such establishments at any one time but there is no estimate on the proportion who are foreign.

    But given the nature of the some of the accommodation classed as communal, it is likely they are heavily used by temporary migrant workers.

    The missing numbers could mean the foreign worker share of the increase in UK jobs between 1997 and 2008 could be as high as 57.4 per cent as opposed to 55.2 per cent as previously thought, the letter said.

    However, that is based on the "extremely crude" premise that there were no temporary migrant workers in 1997.

    The Daily Telegraph told in November how the overall level of employment increased by about 320,000 between September 2006 and September 2008 - up from 29.17 million to 29.49 million.

    But during the two-year period the number of British workers in jobs fell by 149,000 while the number of migrant employees increased by 469,000.

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    There are statistics and then there are Labour's figures! -- we are left " to figure it all out!" I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hildolf View Post
    Well her sitting there on national tv telling us all we are liers is surely a good way to send your voters elsewhere!...
    I think she's saying they're merely stupid and ignorant, not enlightened like her and her friends.
    Her sort love to say "we need to educate people". Then they feel all warm and fuzzy.
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    If she is so interested in "listening" then why doesn't she do it more often?

    First 43 sites named in £100 million gipsy camp scheme

    Protests are being organised across the country against a £100 million Government plan to house 25,000 gipsies and travellers on hundreds of new and upgraded sites.


    By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent
    Last Updated: 12:06PM GMT 04 Jan 2009


    The programme to build permanent caravan pitches is being opposed in a series of local campaigns by those living near the proposed sites.

    Hazel Blears, the Communities Secretary, has announced the first 43 locations where £21.6 million will be spent building new sites or expanding existing ones.

    Ministers say the programme will reduce the disturbance caused by illegal traveller camps. Critics claim that councils are being railroaded by Whitehall into approving the schemes.

    There is said to have been a sharp upturn in the number of cases where proposed developments, having been refused planning permission, are granted approval by planning inspectors on appeal.

    The developments, which are spread across every region of England, include a £2.4 million scheme at East Howle, Co Durham; a £2 million project at Ghyll’s Bank, Carlisle; a £2 million plan at Swallow Park, Kingston upon Thames, south-west London; and a £1.8 million scheme at Fenny Lock, Milton Keynes.

    More than 200 people attended a recent meeting against plans to create a new site in Wickhambrook, near Newmarket, Suffolk.

    The first 43 schemes include 37 expansions of existing sites and six new ones.

    Each site will have running water, electricity and rubbish collection. In return, travellers will be expected to pay rent and council tax.

    The budget for the sites between now and 2012 is £97 million. In Wisbech St Mary, Cambridgeshire, an existing site is to be expanded at a cost of £139,000.

    Diana Thrower, vice-chairman of the local parish council, said: “We feel that we have got more than our fair share. Some of them are very good and have been here a long time. Some of them are not so good and quite honestly are a blight on their neighbours.

    “Having said that, if the borough council puts in plans to extend then we will consult with residents in the normal way and see what they have to say.

    "Travellers need to live somewhere, but so do the rest of us. We need starter homes and so on, to encourage our children to remain here.”

    Another parish councillor, Brian Payne, said: “Our main concern is not who is going to live there, but the fact that there is already pressure on resources here. The village school, for instance, is full.”

    One council, Mid-Bedfordshire, accused 3,100 people of making statements “which may reasonably be considered to be of a racist nature” after they voiced opposition to a proposed site.

    Patricia Weale, vice-chairman of the National Association of Gipsy and Traveller Officers, said much of the opposition was driven by incorrect preconceptions.

    “Although we can appreciate the concerns from local residents, these sites are really no different to a small cul-de-sac,” she said. “People are responding to what can happen at unauthorised sites where there are no rules. Permanent sites are totally different. I believe they are required to get rid of this kind of bias.”

    A spokesman for the Department for Communities and Local Government said: “The problem of unauthorised camping and the tensions it can cause will only be tackled through sufficient provision of well-managed, authorised sites, coupled with effective enforcement action.”

    Speaking out in Parliament against the plans, Eleanor Laing, Conservative MP for Epping Forest, said: “Decent, normal, law-abiding, hard-working, taxpaying people are under threat of having the little pieces of land right next to their houses taken away by the Government, by compulsory purchase, to provide sites for gipsies."

    Source: Daily Telegraph.
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    In return, travellers will be expected to pay rent and council tax.
    Good luck with that. If they actually were willing to pay rent for caravan parks, they'd already be in existence.
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    You forget their communit creedo: To each according to their needs from each according to their means:

    "uh sorry me no can pay for rent. Dat man down da street he'a reals smart. Worksa real hard. Takem alla his money to pay my rents wit". Britain has a form of communism that excludes the rich and instead taxes the hard working competent white middle class. How convienient. Well I'm counting down to when they've sucked the last hard working capable man dry and everything collapses like the soviet union.

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