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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    The etymology is disputed, but Scandinavia derives from Scania (southern part of Sweden). This has nothing to do with the giantess Skadi, even if the (proto-)Germanic root could be the same.


    There is no evidence of an ancient cult of Skadi in Scandinavia (toponyms, for instance).

    Well at the risk of sounding challenging, where exactly are you getting this information from?

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    Scandinavian
    1765, from L.L. Scandinavia, a mistake for Scadinavia, from a Gmc. source (cf. O.E. Scedenig, O.N. Skaney "south end of Sweden"), from P.Gmc. *skadinaujo "Scadia island," first element of uncertain origin, second element from *aujo "thing on the water," from PIE *akwa- "water." It may truly have been an island when the word was formed; the geography of the Baltic Sea has changed dramatically since the end of the Ice Ages.
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    Scandinavia and Scania (Skĺne) are considered to have the same etymology. Both terms are thought to be derived from the Germanic root *Skađin-awjō, which appears later in Old English as Scedenig and in Old Norse as Skáney.[22] The earliest identified source for the name Scandinavia is Pliny the Elder's Natural History, dated to the 1st century AD.
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    Sami etymology
    The earliest Sami yoik texts written down refer to the world as Skadesi-suolo (north-Sami) and Skađsuâl (east-Sami), meaning "Skade's island" (Svennung 1963). Svennung considers the Sami name to have been introduced as a loan word from the North Germanic languages;[39] "Skade" is the giant stepmother of Freyr and Freyja in Norse mythology. It has been suggested that Skade to some extent is modeled on a Sami woman. The name for Skade's father Thjazi is known in Sami as Čáhci, "the waterman", and her son with Odin, Saeming, can be interpreted as a descendent of Saam the Sami population (Mundel 2000)[40], (Steinsland 1991).[41] Older joik texts give evidence of the old Sami belief about living on an island and state that the wolf is known as suolu gievra, meaning "the strong one on the island". The Sami place name Sulliidčielbma means "the island's threshold" and Suoločielgi means "the island's back".

    In recent substrate studies, Sami linguists have examined the initial cluster sk- in words used in Sami and concluded that sk- is a phonotactic structure of non-native origin.[42]
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    Hunting ski goddess, or Sami woman hunting on ski, from Olaus Magnus, 1555.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemma View Post
    Well at the risk of sounding challenging, where exactly are you getting this information from?
    As already mentioned, my main sources are Scandinavian: Else Mundal and Eric Elgqvist. Just remember that we are dealing with theories here, pros et contras, circumstantial evidence. There is no consensus of opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz Rolf Schroder View Post
    Saemingr ist deuthlich eine patronymische Bildung, - alles ubrige hingegen, was man bislang zur Erklärung des Namens vorgebracht hat, muss als höchst fragwürdig oder gar verfehlt bezeichnet werden. Man sieht in ihm gemeinhin den Sohn (oder Nachkommen) eines Samr (oder Sami), eines besonders auf Island nicht ganz seltenen Personennamens, der gewiss von dem Adjektiv altisl. samr *dunkelgrau*, sam-leitr *dunkelbraun, dunkel* abgeleitet ist. Beides, Eigenname wie Adjektiv, soll ein Lehnwort aus dem Lappischen sein: lapp. Sabme, plur. Samek, wie die Lappen sich selbst und ihr Land Same-aednam benennen, so dass davon gebildete Patronymicum Saemingr nur den aus der Ehe eines Germanen mit einer Lappin Entsprossenen anzeigt. Nun ist aber die Herleitung des nordischen Wortes, das in den andern germanischen Sprachen keine sicheren Verwandten hat und auch etymologisch dunkel ist, aus dem Lappischen alles andere als sicher, - und wor allem ist auch die lappische Herkunft der Skadi, auf die man sich als Hauptstutze jener Etymologie zu berufen pflegt, vollig unhaltbar. Deshalb sei eine ganz andere Erklarung vorgeschlagen: Als Grundwort von Saemingr (< rnord. *SamingaR) setzen wir ein altnord. *sami [Saat, Same] an, das in altsachs., ahd. samo, nhd. Same vorliegt und mit lat. semen [Same], lit. semu, pl. semens, apreuss. semen [Saat], altbulg. seme [Same] urverwandt ist. Saemingr ware somit der Saatsprössling oder Sohn der Saatgottheit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    It has been reckoned and pretty much accepted that the word "Scandinavia" etymologically derives from Skadi + nauja, so I'd be a little less loud about this. If we happened to accept such as fact, then it would show that ancient Germanics held Skadi in the highest of veneration imaginable.
    The earliest known reference to Scandinavia is Skadesi-suolu or Skadi's Island known from a Saami yoik.

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    Skadi is simply the Norse Athene, or Minerva, or Artemis. Her militancy is just explicable by structuralism, not a Sami origin as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Skadi is simply the Norse Athene, or Minerva, or Artemis.
    Interesting, I was wondering who would be the Germanic equivalent of Athena/Minerva. However, in Greek mythology Artemis and Athena are not really the same goddess...

    I was thinking where to post the following video, so I searched for previous threads about the goddess Skadi. Not sure if this one is the most proper one (should I have opened a new thread?), but here is the video:

    Die Farben duften frisch und grün... Lieblich haucht der Wind um mich.

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