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    Rap Music Originated in Medieval Scottish Pubs?

    Rap music originated in medieval Scottish pubs, claims American professor

    By Simon Johnson
    Last Updated: 3:57PM GMT 28 Dec 2008

    Professor Ferenc Szasz argued that so-called rap battles, where two or more performers trade elaborate insults, derive from the ancient Caledonian art of "flyting".

    According to the theory, Scottish slave owners took the tradition with them to the United States, where it was adopted and developed by slaves, emerging many years later as rap.

    Professor Szasz is convinced there is a clear link between this tradition for settling scores in Scotland and rap battles, which were famously portrayed in Eminem's 2002 movie 8 Mile.

    He said: "The Scots have a lengthy tradition of flyting - intense verbal jousting, often laced with vulgarity, that is similar to the dozens that one finds among contemporary inner-city African-American youth.

    "Both cultures accord high marks to satire. The skilled use of satire takes this verbal jousting to its ultimate level - one step short of a fist fight."

    The academic, who specialises in American and Scottish culture at the University of New Mexico, made the link in a new study examining the historical context of Robert Burn's work.

    The most famous surviving example of flyting comes from a 16th-century piece in which two rival poets hurl increasingly obscene rhyming insults at one another before the Court of King James IV.

    Titled the Flyting Of Dunbar And Kennedy, it has been described by academics as "just over 500 lines of filth".

    Professor Szasz cites an American civil war poem, printed in the New York Vanity Fair magazine on November 9, 1861, as the first recorded example of the battles being used in the United States.

    Professor Willie Ruff, of Yale University, agreed that Scottish slave owners had a profound impact on the development of African American music traditions.

    Comparing flyting and rap battles, he said: "Two people engage in ritual verbal duelling and the winner has the last word in the argument, with the loser falling conspicuously silent."

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    Is there anything the Scots don't claim?

    Television, Gospel music and now this!
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    I would like to think what the Scottish were doing had perhaps, I don't know, more substance than talking about "having hoes in different area codes."
    I should think rapping and a battle of wits is not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triedandtru View Post
    I would like to think what the Scottish were doing had perhaps, I don't know, more substance than talking about "having hoes in different area codes."
    I should think rapping and a battle of wits is not the same.
    Rap Battles did not start off only about Hoes and Money, became popular in California not N.Y city like the Rap battles did. It was styled "Gangster Rap" and was funded more by the Music industry due to its appeal to the youth.

    Originally Rap Battles were similar to Negative Campaigns or Mud Slinging where you had to convince the audience and or judges that you were the better rhymer and had more "street cred".

    The fact that Rap has origins in Europe does not suprise me. all African American Music is a blend of European and Black American culture, this proves that white culture is still the most progressive culture to be embraced by humanity, expanding to literature, science and technology, and even music that non whites imbraced.

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