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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    I don't believe race and ancestory are the same thing.
    Race: people who are believed to belong to the same genetic stock
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    Ancestry: ...refers to a person's ethnic origin or descent, "roots," heritage or the place of birth of the person

    Can't see the difference myself when applied correctly and in the correct context.

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    If you live in a community of saxons and are accepted by them as a saxon I believe that makes you a saxon.
    That is a very, very, very slippery slope you have a leaning towards.

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    The thing that has torn us from race is we don't have these tribes or folk communities anymore and we are forced to either try to identify with some large impersonal group that really doesn't conform very much (like white or English or German or whatever) or to ancestry.
    I'm not surprised when we have people constantly harping on that we have no races and no lineages that are consistent and dominant.
    I'm at a loss! What am I if not White or English or ancestrally tied to here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreasBolle View Post
    Being from Berlin, I doubt I'm Saxon. My family name is Bolle. Could I be from a line of Prussians? That said, I've come to adopt the worldview of the continental Germans, Irminenschaft, rather that Asatru.
    Where do you think Berlin is? Berlin is in Saxony.
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    Most of the areas east of the Elbe belong to none of the great tribes, they are German colonies and constituted new tribes in a gradual development that lasted centuries. Saxon influence is strongest in the immediate neighbourhood on the North German plain.



    The Berlin dialect historically fell within the East Low German spectrum, but has shifted towards East Central German under the influence of Meißner-German.


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    Thanks for the information. I was born in Nikolasse, and my mother was and still is from Spandau. It is her family name that I was given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeornWulfWer View Post
    Race: people who are believed to belong to the same genetic stock
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    Ancestry: ...refers to a person's ethnic origin or descent, "roots," heritage or the place of birth of the person

    Can't see the difference myself when applied correctly and in the correct context.
    My view of race can be summed up as follows: If France ceased to exist and there were no French communities then there would no more French people. Only people with French ancestry. The French race is dead. Possibly can be rebuilt but is dead. A French man born and raised in the Congo by black people speaking Congolese and part of Congo culture is not French. One example is a true story of a French boy raised by wolves. He crawled around on all fours barking and was incapable of learning language.

    Of course the enemy wants us to believe that we can be cut off from our communities and heritage and still retain our "race". Truth is as soon as our cultures are multiculturalized and our lives "integrated" we are no longer the same race. Race has three components: genetics (conforming to what makes the race- that is even people born to the race may not be %100 accepted because of deformity), culture (speaking the language, knowing the customs etc.), community (being part of a community of that race, you accept it and it accepts you. A white person married to a black person is not white in this respect as they do not see themselves as white).

    If you see race as only genetics its a loosing philosophy. Take "pure" whites and give them a foreign culture as Jung said and it will damage the psyche of the race. Over generations the culture will breed a different people because there are different norms and attitudes in the culture. Similarly take "pure" whites and put them in with black people as a common community and the genetics are threatened. The three all depend on each other. It's true for any race- Germanics etc.

    Most people today (even racialists) don't have a race and don't realize it. That is of course what the enemy wants and is why all concept of race is quickly fading away. There needs to be a community. Which is why you see confusion- am I Saxon, am I Germanic, am I white- am I all of these things?

    You are whatever your community is. Most people here don't have a community- they live in the multicultural state of england as an individual citizen. This makes them the modern concept of "English" which is multiracial.

    Part of the confusion is people are raised with an individualist mentality. They don't see themselves as part of a greater whole. Being an individualist and a racialist is a contradiction. Many people are both these things though and don't realize it. You can't be %50 irish and %50 German. That is ancestory. You are either one or the other. You can't be black and white at the same time- you can only be grey or brown or one or the other. If I ask "what are you" and you say "well I'm %20 liar, %50 saint, %10 doctor, %5 criminal" etc. it would sound absurd. But that is how people are confusing race. Race to me is what you are. Not what your ancestors were. You either are accepted into a community and conform to it or you don't.

    Of course you could be multiple things like I'm a human species, Aryan race, Alpino-Nordic subgroup American nationality for instance, if you are actually in a community of such people, but you aren't two things at once you just are part of a more specific or generalized grouping in this case.

    Of course if you take race only to mean the color of one's skin or one's ancestry then this doesn't apply. If you take race to mean a social organism that is supposed to remain autonomous (preserved) into the future then my definition applies.

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    We germanics are joined by a common ancestry, going back thousands of years. that is *Why* we are hated by strangers, because we know that, because we are not dividable if we do not want to be. Race is a major factor to us as a component of our ethnic identity.
    That ethnic identity would not be as unassailable if we were a melting pot people like the french. It is assailed through lots of hard work on the part of our enemies for the last 60 years. The "French" are Celts, Latins Germanics and Mediterraenians. The Germans Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes and Others are Germanic. Thee are no mediterranian Germanics for example, although there is in the South some Slavic and Italic admixture. Exeptions to the racial component can be made, but this does not mean that race is irrelvant. It is
    indeed relevant.
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    Yep, I identify myself with the Saxon tribe and culture, also with part ancestry from Prussia and Silesia. For me it has a priority to be Saxon instead of being a German, because the pre-Reichs culture refers more to my inner self.

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    Although I get my appearance from the Gaelic McDonnells, my surname and a healthy dosage of English blood from both sides of my family speak of my Old English-Anglo-Saxon-heritage.I know how to pronounce certain Englisc phrases, but I'm not fluent, unfortunately

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    I am Lower Saxon, but my genealogy probably traces back deeper. Seemingly my ancestors hid in the moor for centuries, before they started to cultivate it. The following development was not overall positive. No more swimming grass covering dark water holes that could be used as traps for invaders and missonaries...

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