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    When did discussion about Absolutist ideas turn into personal attacks? Come now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triedandtru View Post
    When did discussion about Absolutist ideas turn into personal attacks? Come now.
    I have no idea what you mean. If you are referring to my comments about Nietzsche which is quoted in Suut's signature, that is not a personal attack, but an opposition to a philosphical stance--the will to power--invented by Nietzsche and assumed by his followers. Besides, is not that quote ("The moral man is a lower species than the immoral") an attack on moral persons itself? Funny how this is allowed. Since when did good values become a bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by exit View Post
    ... is not that quote ("The moral man is a lower species than the immoral") an attack on moral persons itself? Funny how this is allowed. Since when did good values become a bad thing?
    What is the use of moral and "good values" as top-down-constructions? This is: if constructed from an absolute position they are nothing more than superficial confessions, but no evolutionary internalized (encoded) onto- and phylogenetic achievements.

    Look at churches and schools: every child is pressed to pay moral lip service here, but after finishing school many do not feel any delicacy about behaving immoral or doing unethical jobs.

    Constructed moral is bad because useless and dangerous - this is, simply put, what Nietzsche meant.

    Prayer and indulgence do not stabilize our world...

    Ashera

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    The Antichrist

    "Mankind surely does not represent an evolution toward a better or stronger or higher level, as progress is now understood. This "progress" is merely a modern idea, which is to say, a false idea. The European of today, in his essential worth, falls far below the European of the Renaissance; the process of evolution does not necessarily mean elevation, enhancement, strengthening.

    True enough, it succeeds in isolated and individual cases in various parts of the earth and under the most widely different cultures, and in these cases a higher type certainly manifests itself; something which, compared to mankind in the mass, appears as a sort of superman. Such happy strokes of high success have always been possible, and will remain possible, perhaps, for all time to come. Even whole races, tribes and nations may occasionally represent such lucky accidents.

    We should not deck out and embellish Christianity: it has waged a war to the death against this higher type of man, it has put all the deepest instincts of this type under its ban, it has developed its concept of evil, of the Evil One himself, out of these instincts--the strong man as the typical reprobate, the "outcast among men." Christianity has taken the part of all the weak, the low, the botched; it has made an ideal out of antagonism to all the self-preservative instincts of sound life; it has corrupted even the faculties of those natures that are intellectually most vigorous, by representing the highest intellectual values as sinful, as misleading, as full of temptation. The most lamentable example: the corruption of Pascal, who believed that his intellect had been destroyed by original sin, whereas it was actually destroyed by Christianity!--"

    "The "kingdom of heaven" is a state of the heart--not something to come "beyond the world" or "after death." The whole idea of natural death is absent from the Gospels: death is not a bridge, not a passing; it is absent because it belongs to a quite different, a merely apparent world, useful only as a symbol. The "hour of death" is not a Christian idea--"hours, " time, the physical life and its crises have no existence for the bearer of "glad tidings." .

    "The "kingdom of God" is not something that men wait for: it had no yesterday and no day after tomorrow, it is not going to come at a "millennium" --it is an experience of the heart, it is everywhere and it is nowhere. . . ."


    Friedrich Nietzsche

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