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    Jewish Involvement in the Downfall of Europe

    Western degenerate civilizations were brought about by many decades of jewsmedia, particularly television and movies, but also printed porno materiels and of course, the vilest of porn videos. All which were made perfectly legal and main stream by organized jewry such as the ACLU, for just one example. White Nationalists expose jewish-spread degeneracy more extensively, and more loudly than any other Germanic group. And if Hitler had won, there would be no significant degeneracy legalized anywhere in the western world, today.
    The problem I have with this type of rethoric is the way that you completely ignore (at least rethorically) the role which socialist and liberal Europeans played in these movements and other movements. You ignore the fact that a majority of the people that put us in this situation were not Jews but Europeans who believed in socialism or liberalism and the various degenerate ideas that over the years have spawned from marxist thought.

    I am fully aware of the Jewish involvement in these movements, but to present it as though the Jews were alone in this and that any European participants merely followed their lead and don't have as much guilt in this as they do (individual Europeans that is), is simply false. The extreme overemphasis on the Jews gives you a severe credibility problem, even though what you say may very well be true to a large degree. I think European marxists are getting off the hook most of the time when people such as yourself discuss this issue and it doesn't sit well with me. The Jews were certainly not the driving force behind Sweden's transformation from pinnacle of civilization to multi cultural hellhole, the social democratic party (among others) was, and the thousands of Swedes that made up its ranks, high and low. The entire left is to blame, and a disproportionate number of Jews are to blame.

    Is it merely the style of rethoric that leaves me feeling something is missing or do you genuinly believe that Jews were the only ones who were pulling the strings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    The Jews were certainly not the driving force behind Sweden\'s transformation from pinnacle of civilization to multi cultural hellhole
    We do not really know that, do we? History usually leaves some room for doubt, and Jewish immigration to Sweden was significant - especially in the 1930s and 1940s, and they forged into prominence in postwar Swedish society.

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    It could be argued that Europe's downfall has the same roots as its rise, the rapidly growing importance of the mercantile class, accelerating in early modernity when the first colonies were founded and global trade began. The merchants had already betrayed the Teutonic Knights at every turn in their struggle against Poland in pursuit of their narrow interests.

    I think a major problem we have today is the structural change that not only has almost eliminated the peasantry, but also the workers. All we have left now are various mercantile types, whose interests once again collide with folkish interests. Even if they were willing to walk the folwec, they would constantly face counter-incentives.

    Jews have been historically overrepresented in that layer of society and they still are. To a lesser degree, ironically.

    Karl Marx also has nice things to say about this, although his own work is just another interpretation of the spirit of the French revolution that has been a major breakthrough for both egalitarianism and human rights, the intellectual trash that plagues us today:
    The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.

    The groundless law of the Jew is only a religious caricature of groundless morality and right in general, of the purely formal rites with which the world of self-interest surrounds itself.
    We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.

    In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.
    The major challenge then becomes how an efficient economy can be maintained that gives us strength against our enemies without having the unpleasant side effect of killing us. Jews have absolutely zero interest in creating such a system, but our own people also form obstacles. The major hope, in my view, consists of valuable middle class elements that experience social decline in a sustained economic crisis and retain both the incentive and capability to destabilise current structures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    We do not really know that, do we? History usually leaves some room for doubt, and Jewish immigration to Sweden was significant - especially in the 1930s and 1940s, and they forged into prominence in postwar Swedish society.
    The shift in Swedish politics occurred in the 20s when the suffrage laws were changed and the social democrats gained power in the parliament. There was an on-going debate about immigration from around the turn of the century up until the 30s in Sweden where the Conservative right and agrarians argued in favor of stronger measures against various groups: Jews, gypsies, poles etc, and a few proposals were also passed, but when the social democrats started getting more seats they started blocking these proposals (starting in the 1920s, the big voting rights reform was passed in 1921). Their party manifesto of 1920 or 21 included free immigration and emigration, as well as insurance coverage for foreign workers.

    The myth of the nationalist rather than internationalist Social-democrats of the early 1900s is strong even among Swedish nationalist (which is hardly surprising since most of them are basically social democrats with socially conservative sentiments on value issues, just as many of the workers who voted for the social democrats in the beginning, and voted for them due to economical reasons were). The socialists used Swedish history, Swedish symbols and Swedish national pride to their advantage as propaganda tools when it suited their needs, and when it didn't they mocked the right wing's nationalism and traditionalist ideas.

    I am always open to evidence which proves a heavy Jewish involvement in the Social democrats and other parties of the time, but to make the assumption that they were the driving force behind it all is to give European bolshevists too much credit as helpless victims. Their treason is their own work and the guilt falls heavily on their shoulders.

    I do however believe that there were Jews who were active in trying to influence Swedish society in various ways even before ww2. One example is a book published by the Bonnier family in 1935 which is a book on physical anthropology where the author discredits almost all racial differences that aren't phenotypical. At the end of the book, which is a bit "weird" considering that it is supposed to be a book on physical anthropology "made unstandable to the public", he also gives his view on the racial policies that are underway in the Third Reich which he claim are more or less barbaric if I remember what he wrote correctly. This book was as mentioned published in 1935. The author's name was Gaston Backman (who himself incidentally looked Jewish and had a rather dubious ancestral background with his family hailing from "the outskirts of Paris" ).

    So there was definately an effort made by Jews to influence the society in which they lived, no doubt about that, but let's not pretend as though the European marxists didn't know what they were doing.

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    It's not so much whether ALL the liberal/communist/feminist/multicult/whatever was caused by jews, it's that they are extraordinarily represented in those categories.

    Just like there's a lot of Germanics who commit armed robbery, burglaries, shoplifting, assaults etc but Africans tend to be heavily overrepresented in those categories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    It's not so much whether ALL the liberal/communist/feminist/multicult/whatever was caused by jews, it's that they are extraordinarily represented in those categories.
    Yes but I find it to be intellectually cheap to make it all go back to the Jews, rather than recognizing their role in these movements as one of the forces, not the defining force behind it.

    Closely related to this notion is the idea that Jews are behind virtually everything which is wrong in our society ("Jews are responsible for spreading HIV in our society, Jews are responsible for the drugs in our communities"), those who believe that can't leave them out of anything it seems, everything is their doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordOfTheVistula View Post
    Just like there's a lot of Germanics who commit armed robbery, burglaries, shoplifting, assaults etc but Africans tend to be heavily overrepresented in those categories.
    Crimes are for the most part individual acts that are in any case far less complex than what we are discussing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Yes but I find it to be intellectually cheap to make it all go back to the Jews, rather than recognizing their role in these movements as one of the forces, not the defining force behind it.
    This is not mutually exclusive, they are just one of forces (mono-causality is a thing even hardly found in a laboratory environment), yet they are also the defining force (if not always, then at least right now).
    They are the ones who shit our people in their heads with their ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vingolf View Post
    We do not really know that, do we? History usually leaves some room for doubt, and Jewish immigration to Sweden was significant - especially in the 1930s and 1940s, and they forged into prominence in postwar Swedish society.
    Oh fantastic, just what I need, a relevant thread with good posts at bedtime. Wooope.

    Vingolf, we might want to take intoconsideration that American media was bringing integration to every corner of the world already in the 1960s.
    Che guevarra, who is still famous today, was depicted as an altruistic white knight whose noble mission it was to free the downtrodden from "Western Imperialism". The fact that he was white mede him an atrctive icon for rebellious white kids the World over. Then came mohamed Ali, the black boxer who became "the greatest" and projected the image of the emerging black freedom fighter. These Images were brought to us by te American news media, Entertainment industry, and Holywood.

    So the "Making sexy" of the third World was not brought to us by the third Worlders, but by American establishements and systems of information Dissemination. These forces did not have to be in Sweden to influence Sweden. An attempt was even made to Attract Sweden, which was practically adored by the whole world, to the Isreali cause. I am sure for example that the older ones among you remember those pictures and Bjorn Borg Toting a submachinegun while traveling in Israel and visiting kibutzes. Who hands a foreigner a 9 mm Submachinegun and allow them to walk freely all over their Country? isnt it amazing that the photogs and videographers were there to capture all this? and why did it make intenational news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    This is not mutually exclusive, they are just one of forces (mono-causality is a thing even hardly found in a laboratory environment), yet they are also the defining force (if not always, then at least right now).
    They are the ones who shit our people in their heads with their ideas.
    I'm not talking about right now but historically, because the question that I find to be interesting and which is the premise of this thread is not whether the Jews have any influence today after the holocaust and ww2, but whether they have all along in almost every instance been behind, been the creators and directors of, every major drive to make Europe into what it is today.

    I think that unless you have evidence of Jewish control over the governments of Europe, not just influence, which would be rather difficult to measure anyhow, but actual control, and not just one government or two but of many of the governments that implemented the same ideas and policies over the course of the 20th and perhaps in some cases part of the 19th century, I would not be making statements such as "the Jews were the driving force behind the downfall of Europe". The mere possibility is not enough to support such a statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Yes but I find it to be intellectually cheap to make it all go back to the Jews, rather than recognizing their role in these movements as one of the forces, not the defining force behind it.
    One of the problems , that exists, is that because of the events which occurred during WKII, severe criticism is precluded, and realities minimized or ignored.
    Closely related to this notion is the idea that Jews are behind virtually everything which is wrong in our society ("Jews are responsible for spreading HIV in our society, Jews are responsible for the drugs in our communities"), those who believe that can't leave them out of anything it seems, everything is their doing.
    You appear to equate the thoughts of the unstable as as the core of the people who are critical of our friends.

    Crimes are for the most part individual acts that are in any case far less complex than what we are discussing here.
    exactly, For the most part. but the most succesful crimes are commited by organizations, not individuals. Cooperation and coordination with one another
    happens to be their forte.

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