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    Swiss Approve Prescription Heroin

    Swiss approve prescription heroin


    Swiss voters have approved a change in health policy to offer prescription heroin to addicts on a permanent basis.

    Final results from the national referendum showed 68% of voters supported the plan.

    The scheme, allowing addicts to inject the drug under medical supervision at a clinic, began in Zurich 14 years ago before spreading across the country.

    But in another referendum vote, 63% of voters rejected the decriminalisation of cannabis.

    The heroin vote was one of a series of referendums held to decide policy on illegal drugs.

    Under the scheme, addicts visit clinics up to twice a day, where they inject the drug under medical supervision. They can also be treated for other medical issues or mental health problems, out correspondent says.....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7757050.stm


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    I wish our democracy was more like Swiss democracy.

    Common sense has prevailed.

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    Has Switzerland gone mad!?

    Throw them in to a darkened room, lock it, and provide adequate nourishment as they go cold turkey.
    If upon their release they cannot keep themselves off of this hard drug, then yet another stint will be deemed necessary.

    Repeat till a conclusion is met.
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    Whilst I am against decriminalisation of hard drugs, and am at least in two minds about allowing prescription through national health services with a tendency towards not permitting it, I understand that this was held to a referendum.

    As such, whilst I may not favour the move - being a great fan of Swiss democracy, I respect it: The people have spoken, and if it turns out to be adverse to the smooth running of their society, then they have clearly brought it upon themselves.

    Got to accept the voice of the people if the Swiss model is what you have. For good or for ill.
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    No, Switzerland has gone sane.

    I think it's a good move. First because the principle of democracy is actually respected, unlike in certain other countries where the government and officials pride themselves with being staunch defenders of democracy, yet disrespecting it in practice. Second because it's a responsible attitude towards drug addiction, heroin addicts being able to receive their drug under medical supervision, in pure form, with clean syringes and needles. In other words, it's a step forward towards keeping AIDS and drug-related crime under control.

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    Good on the Swiss!

    I don't think there's is a problem with issuing (rather hard) drugs to people who sincerely need it. There's alot of people who are in easily treatable pain out there, and if our progress in science and medicine has a solution to it, then there's no reason it should be witheld. Democratic consensus is an enormous part of what kind of folk we are, and it should be guarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas View Post
    Second because it's a responsible attitude towards drug addiction, heroin addicts being able to receive their drug under medical supervision, in pure form, with clean syringes and needles. In other words, it's a step forward towards keeping AIDS and drug-related crime under control.

    I agree somewhat with you here. But, I also have to wonder if its not just a free high, what twice a day? Is that going to keep them from still buying? For some reason, I don't think so.

    There is a needle exchange in Atlanta, Georgia...where people can go and get free needles and they know what they are using them for, but they ain't handing out heroin.

    So, I'm outta weed, when are they going to provide me with it when I am out..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Whilst I am against decriminalisation of hard drugs, and am at least in two minds about allowing prescription through national health services with a tendency towards not permitting it, I understand that this was held to a referendum.

    As such, whilst I may not favour the move - being a great fan of Swiss democracy, I respect it: The people have spoken, and if it turns out to be adverse to the smooth running of their society, then they have clearly brought it upon themselves.

    Got to accept the voice of the people if the Swiss model is what you have. For good or for ill.
    The "will of the people" has been to mix with aliens and follow multiculti popculture crap for some decades, I suppose we should accept that too? That's why democracy is a bad idea, 90 of people are idiots without the ability to make a right decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas View Post
    No, Switzerland has gone sane.

    I think it's a good move. First because the principle of democracy is actually respected, unlike in certain other countries where the government and officials laud themselves with being staunch defenders of democracy, yet disrespecting it in practice. Second because it's a responsible attitude towards drug addiction, heroin addicts being able to receive their drug under medical supervision, in pure form, with clean syringes and needles. In other words, it's a step forward towards keeping AIDS and drug-related crime under control.
    Responsible? Helping junkies? Junkies should be thrown out of society, behind bars, not rewarded. They're leeches and should be treated like bloody leeches. I'm hoping this garbage won't be applicable in Germany. I wouldn't want my tax money to go on supporting bloody junkie scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    The "will of the people" has been to mix with aliens and follow multiculti popculture crap for some decades, I suppose we should accept that too?
    Actually the Swiss population in one of these referenda just a while ago voted in affirmation of a proposition to make immigration more difficult.

    That's why democracy is a bad idea, 90 of people are idiots without the ability to make a right decision.
    ...which is why the other 10% have to guide them to making the right decision. There will always be sheeple, in any system: Such is not a matter of democracy, such is a matter of human nature. The "non-idiot" is the one that should guide them to making the right decisions.

    Responsible? Helping junkies? Junkies should be thrown out of society, behind bars, not rewarded.
    So they have their dealers and junkie mates that are still outside of prison smuggle batches of drugs into prison one way or the other, with the bunch of them beating each other up and killing each other for a single fix of heroin or a gram of cocaine?

    They're leeches and should be treated like bloody leeches.
    Call me a "raging liberal" for it, but in the case of non-capital offences overly retributionist jurisdiction does not work, nor does it bear fruits. If someone is convicted of a drug-related offence and ends up in prison for it, then a minimum requirement of early parole should be that they undertake all measures to whilst in prison, via social work employed behind bars, show remorse for their deeds and show that there is a reason to believe that they will not be a menace to society upon their release. If there are no such measures undertaken by them, their prison term should be prolonged.

    Those who did not get involved in dealing, but only consumed, are just people of weak willpower, or at least had weak willpower at some point in time before they got themselves caught down in the cycle of addiction. It is the duty of the responsible and rational person to guide them to a better conviction of mind.

    Someone who is thrown into prison for drug use will not become a better person just because he is punished for his consuming drugs. There is a good chance that once outside, he will become a drug taker again, possibly of a different drug. The only way to deal with that is to guide them away from their ill deeds, which they likely won't break if they go to prison for it - and will just resume upon release.

    Not to mention that prisoners aren't exactly maintained for free.

    I'm hoping this garbage won't be applicable in Germany. I wouldn't want my tax money to go on supporting bloody junkie scum.
    Whilst I have stated that I am no fan of allowing people to continue their addiction by the help of the public hand, via it being administered through the NHS, I can certainly see some merit in it.

    That merit would be that it pretty effectively takes out most of the drug trade, or at least makes it less profitable. As such, this measure could be a long-term way to fight the prevalence of hard drugs in our societies: The less readily it is available on the streets and the less profitable it is, the less dealers will be, and the less people will eventually get addicted to heroin. It's not like someone can go to the NHS and say, "I'd like to try some smack, care to give me a fix, doc?"

    Thus whilst it is a move I do not echo 100%, as the tax payer's money should possibly go into ways which would be more effective to stop drug abuse, and which would be more in accordance with my worldview, I can see where the supporters of NHS-administered drugs are coming from, and I can see it working if done sensibly and with the eventual target of getting the addicts off the drug altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Lyfing View Post
    I agree somewhat with you here. But, I also have to wonder if its not just a free high, what twice a day? Is that going to keep them from still buying? For some reason, I don't think so.

    There is a needle exchange in Atlanta, Georgia...where people can go and get free needles and they know what they are using them for, but they ain't handing out heroin.

    So, I'm outta weed, when are they going to provide me with it when I am out..?
    It would naturally keep them from buying it off the street, as street drugs are not exactly cheap. Drug addicts commit crimes like stealing in order to gather funds to support their habit. This would be eliminated at least in part by the introduction of such programs. It would also be a blow to drug dealers and drug-financed crime. It is drug dealers who are most interested in keeping drugs illegal, as they can charge and provide whatever they like.

    The results of a British program turned out to be fairly positive:
    A pilot scheme established "shooting galleries" in London, Brighton and Darlington, where addicts could get drugs and inject under supervision. The scheme cut crime and stopped street sales. Crimes committed by the addicts dropped from about 40 to six a month after six months of treatment, said Professor John Strang, the head of the National Addiction Centre at the Maudsley hospital. A third of addicts stopped using street heroin and the number of occasions when the rest "scored" dropped from every day to four to five times a month, on average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    Responsible? Helping junkies? Junkies should be thrown out of society, behind bars, not rewarded. They're leeches and should be treated like bloody leeches. I'm hoping this garbage won't be applicable in Germany. I wouldn't want my tax money to go on supporting bloody junkie scum.
    I'd prefer spending taxes on controlling heroin addiction responsibly than on filling the prisons with drug users and solving exactly nothing. What do you think they'd do once they're released from prison? Go back to their street habits, of course. I'd rather have the real threats put in prison, like rapists, child molesters and so on. Addiction is a health issue and should thus be treated in medical centers, not prisons. Sending drug addicts to prison would cost more than funding these programs anyway.

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