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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    You're right in that it wasn't the specifics of Christianity that were the cause of the unity, but rather the unification of belief itself; it could just as easily have been the Catholic Church of Wuotan or a cult of emperor worship that brought the Franks together.
    It is important to have faith, be it the Jedi-Faith or faith in your leader, however there is a strong case that Christianity fulfilled the uniting purpose of a group faith, but also damaged it in many other ways (e.g. it is too universalistic in its group definition to begin with). Which is why we need to reject Christianity and search for something better, and in this regard Islam would have been better, yet far from good, and Judaism would have been worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    ...in this regard Islam would have been better, yet far from good...
    Would you be able to flesh this out for me a bit more please Jäger? Though I've been following this thread, I haven't been following others in which you write where I would have been better able to glean the whys of such a statement had I been doing so, I think, hence this question. I'm not quite certain I understand how Islam would have been better since I tend to view it as perhaps as detrimental to Germanic culture as any other of the Abrahamic faiths, perhaps even more so.

    When I examine Christianity and its effect on Germanic culture in toto I'm glad to see that pan-Germanic cultural diversity was still respected (to a greater extent than not I think) despite the universalism espoused by the Church. We were able to 'reformulate' our cultural ways (and here I'm especially thinking about religious ways) within a new religious framework much better under Christianity than we would have been able to under Islam is my sense. I would even wager that the lingua franca today would be Arabic as opposed to English had Islam prevailed.

    Perhaps my assessment is faulty thus my request to you for a bit more fleshing out. But that's my take on things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemma View Post
    Would you be able to flesh this out for me a bit more please Jäger?
    Islam has actually the concept of nation in its writings for its followers, not just the nation of Israel, and it clearly demands it to be defended if the faith of the nation, not just the individual, is attacked. It is more clear in its writing , more clear in its divine rules (e.g. hygiene).
    And the biggest advantage in Islam is it favors honor over love (which is also the Germanic way), of course the view of what is honorable differs partly because of their Semitic racial soul, however the concept is clear, and if we would have had the chance to germanize Islam like we did with Christianity the outcome most likely would have been much better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aemma View Post
    We were able to 'reformulate' our cultural ways (and here I'm especially thinking about religious ways) within a new religious framework much better under Christianity than we would have been able to under Islam is my sense.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aemma View Post
    I would even wager that the lingua franca today would be Arabic as opposed to English had Islam prevailed.
    If anything it would have competed with Latin, not English as the lingua franca, both unGermanic languages. But of course this depends on the time frame, after all Hebrew didn't become the lingua franca either.

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    Thanks and cheers Jäger!
    You're welcome.
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    Perhaps Christianity did help Europe survive the chaos of the Middle Ages, but this was just surviving, with very little thriving with certain exceptions such as cathedral building. However, the civic militarism of the Romans would have been just as effective I think, at least for southern Europe. Would the Germanic tribes been able to resist the viral infection of their culture by Islam without having had already been infected my another insidious virus, Christianity, before hand? I really don't know.

    However, Christianity has outlived it's stay, and is obviously contributing to a cultural decay in the West. It, along with secular humanism, are being used as props for modern liberalism. The exception to this are radical, Neocon cults such as the Evangelicals and Mormons whom I find almost as scary as Islamists, because while less dangerous they already are in America in force, and breeding quite fast, in fact, excessive breeding seems to be a key tenet of their faith. I don't see more traditional forms of Christianity such as Lutheranism, Episcopalians, etc making a come back.

    Heathenism, or Secular National Libertarianism (laissez faire policies on almost everything except immigration, crime, the environment, and corporate greed) are the only options that I see as being viable for the continuation of Western Civilization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfang View Post
    I personally believe that the begining of racial suicide came with Christendom.
    Christendom kept out the non-Europeans for centuries, and without Christianity, Europe would be a huge, brown, Islamic mess, like most of the Middle East. Martel & Sobieski were Christians, for example.

    The beginning of racial suicide came about when our people, Christian or otherwise, failed to heed the lessons of our forebears, including those of Jesus Christ Himself, to keep out the ideological cancer, and its vector, from Babylon. That Babylonian cancer is carried in the pages of the Babylonian Talmud.

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    One aspect inherited from the Hebrews & that is preservationist is the concept of the Chosen People. The Boers who went into the wilderness of southern Africa viewed themselves has having been chosen & having a covenent with God & that belief served them well for generations, then their leaders lost their faith & dismantled apartheid. The early Anglo-Americans viewed themselves as chosen, America as the New Eden. The whole basis of Manifest Destiny was that it was God's will that the Anglo-Saxon race of America have possession of the continent from sea to sea. The teachings of the Old Testament are very favorable to the concept of racial preservationism, and the Calvinists of America & South Africa put much emphasis on the Old Testament, their circumstances in the wilderness having parallels to the ancient Hebrews. There was a religious basis, based on Old Testament verses, for the anti-miscegenation laws that use to be the norm in America, especially those states that were the most Christian & Protestant.

    The downfall of this sort of Calvinism was the immigration & "Americanization" of non-Germanics, Catholics & the disproportionately influencial Jews, along with increasing secularization of the elites. The takeover of seminaries by liberal theologians (closeted Marxists) have led to the apostazation of many Protestant sects. Also, the concept of Premillennialism that was embraced by American Protestants in the early 19th century has done American Evangelical Protestantism no good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    The downfall of this sort of Calvinism was the immigration & "Americanization" of non-Germanics, Catholics & the disproportionately influencial Jews, along with increasing secularization of the elites.
    This sounds paradox, this sort of Calvinism helped to motivate racial/cultural segregation, yet went down because it eventually failed to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    Also, the concept of Premillennialism that was embraced by American Protestants in the early 19th century has done American Evangelical Protestantism no good.
    How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    This sounds paradox, this sort of Calvinism helped to motivate racial/cultural segregation, yet went down because it eventually failed to do so?
    It's not that it eventually failed to do so but that people drifted away from this Calvinist chosen people doctrine. It lost influence because of the pluralization of American society through immigration, with the resulting political power shift to the heavily White ethnic urban centers. Those that believed it did not have the same political clout in 1950 that they had in 1850.


    Also, the concept of Premillennialism that was embraced by American Protestants in the early 19th century has done American Evangelical Protestantism no good.
    How so?
    It is a rigid Biblical Literalism. It must of happened exactly as the Bible says, it cannot be a parable, for example the seven days of creation were literally 7-days & not symbolic of the stages of development. Premillennialism tends to encourage prostylising as if everyone can be & should be saved. And most importantly it is a belief in the coming return of Christ & his literal 1000-year reign for which we must prepare for, versus postmillennialism the belief that Christ returns after the millennium. This explains a lot about the behavior of someone like George W. Bush, also the influence that Jews have in the US (with Evangilical Chrisitians) despite their anti-Christian activities, because the return of Christ will lead to the conversion of the Jews . It is dangerous because there are some Chrisitans who want to hasten Armageddon as a necessity of bringing on the Millennium. It is why Israel has the support of many influential Evangelical leaders because the rebirth of Israel is a necessary requirement to bring about the End Times.

    I myself believe inthe postmillennial intrepretation of the Book of Revelation, going back to when I was about 12. I brought it up in Sunday school & the teacher informed me I was wrong & that was the first I heard about pre & post millennialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanseMacabre View Post
    Indeed, I believe Christianity has much in common with Marxism, Capitalism, and multiculturalism. All of which are destroying us ethnically and culturally. I believe the acceptance these worldviews have gained in Germanic nations is because of the groundwork laid by Christianity
    Christianity fought against all those when they first came about.

    The problems with Christianity seem to have come in the past couple hundred years, as Christianity was changed to fit the multicultural agenda.

    I think the key problems of Christianity have been:

    Professional Clergy. These positions attract the same type of people who work at nonprofits, become professors, government workers, and so on.

    Centralization of Religion: This has allowed a small group of people to transform the religion, and thus the country. In the past, in times of massive battles against invading Islam this was a good thing, in modern times not so much.
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    Æmeric;915684]One aspect inherited from the Hebrews & that is preservationist is the concept of the Chosen People.

    Preservation is an aspect of the Will to power.

    The Boers who went into the wilderness of southern Africa viewed themselves has having been chosen & having a covenet with God & that belief served them well for generations, then their leaders lose their faith & dismantled apartheid.
    No South Africa was left out in the lurch while the Russians the East Germans and most of all the Cubans had a field day. Modern SA never had to fight a conventional war and the large engagements with the cubans bled their white troops wich was not politically acceptable within SA.
    "Losing their faith" did not have anything to do with it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYUj46Q6J4I





    The early Anglo-Americans viewed themselves as chosen, America as the New Eden. The whole basis of Manifest Destiny was that it was God's will that the Anglo-Saxon race of America have possession of the continent from sea to sea. The teachings of the Old Testament are very favorable to the concept of racial preservationism, and the Calvinist of America & South Africa put much emphasis on the Old Testament, their circumstances in the wilderness having parallels to the ancient Hebrews. There was a religious basis, based on Old Testament verses, for the anti-miscegenation laws that use to be the norm in America, especially those states that were the most Christian & Protestant.

    This may be true. The catholics were very stupid about this. The kings Of spain literally told the sapanish to "go and make a new race".

    The downfall of this sort of Calvinism was the immigration & "Americanization" of non-Germanics, Catholics & the disproportionately influencial Jews, along with increasing secularization of the elites. The takeover of seminaries by liberal theologians (closeted Marxists) have led to the apostazation of many Protestant sects. Also, the concept of Premillennialism that was embraced by American Protestants in the early 19th century has done American Evangelical Protestantism no good.
    [/QUOTE]

    As bad as catholiscism is, American Christian Evangelism is worth because it really has no lineage and is stewarded by renecks. It almost seems like the da-da ist movement in art.

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