View Poll Results: Do you accept intra-Germanic immigration?

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  • Yes - any kind of intra-Germanic immigration.

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  • Yes - but only immigration from my own ethnos.

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  • No.

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  • Other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Are all their cultural practices the same? Can no cultural distinction be made?
    They are rapidly converting to globo-culture and under these circumstances no meaningful distinction can be made, except racial ones, which leaves us with WN and/or the most vulgar versions of Nordicism. Culture is what gives us local/tribal cohesion, regional identity, ethnic identity, even meta-ethnic identity and it keeps us separate from those who don't belong through our distinct way of life and even the separatist values that should be part of this culture and fleshed out through it.

    So, yes, reshuffling Germanics would constitute a problem if it goes beyond what can be assimilated. A blurring of identity would result, both inward and outward. This is already a problem in Bavaria, where many people have moved because of job opportunities, thus introducing disruptive mentalities and foreign identities. They also tend to have very different voting patterns. Historically, this also happened when areas like Rhine/Ruhr industrialised, but they managed to stabilise sufficiently before our recent unpleasantness.

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    I think we need more young Germans because our population is declining: immigration from non-Europeans, elderly population, childfree women, emigration of natives. So I'd support German immigration from any German-speaking country or enclave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodnand View Post
    ...we must also note, that it would be hardly imaginable that for ex, a great mass of germans would immigrate to Iceland - nor would this occur vice-versa, that icelanders would immigrate to Germany, only in rare cases.
    Iceland as a non-EU country, yes, but on the contrary, the EU has made intra-immigration more possible and easier.
    THINK! It's not illegal yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    I couldn't tell you.

    Are all their cultural practices the same? Can no cultural distinction be made?
    Holland was scarcely populated and a quiet backwater before the Flemish influx (of intelligentsia) due to the pressure of the Spanish occupying force and its inquisition, which led to the Dutch golden age - the 17th century.

    The cultural distinction between Holland and Friesland is bigger than that of Flanders vs Holland as a whole, and mid- and southern Holland specific. Flanders' culture is embedded within the wider framework of Nederlandse civilization. The most noteworthy difference between the Dutch of the north and the South are their temperaments. A Hollander is more outgoing, open, talkative, selfconfident. Flemings are introvert, quiet, distrustful of strangers, and they shun the individual: anybody who establishes himself as a unique persona, professional or otherwise.

    As any other Germanic nation they're both highly organized, enterprising/commercial, antimilitaristic, artistic/creative... etc. But that's another discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Any kind of large-scale reshuffling is highly damaging, but I don't mind migrations that are small and dispersed enough to be assimilable and under the condition that they do not worsen the composition of a given region.
    If I were to emigrate to the Netherlands, for example, being assimilable would mean I would be a Dutch-speaking Afrikaner, but my children would be Dutch, since my ethnicity is close to that of the Dutch (Afrikaner = Nederduits) and my children would have learned the local culture from childhood. In that way I'll remain a "foreign Germanic", but my move would be beneficial to the size of the ethnic Dutch population for the next generation. Comments on this perspective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sissi View Post
    In my opinion, there are two "degrees" of intra-Germanic immigration. The first is from the same ethnos which lives in different countries: a German immigrates to Austria, a Dutchman to Flanders, a South Tyrolian to Germany and so on.
    Good to see you clarified, otherwise I would have to point out the fact that Germans and Austrians aren't of a different ethnos. Nice also to see another Austrian to accept the truth of Austrians and Germans being essentially of the same people, it is "balsam on a plagued young Tyrolese lad's soul" to hear such a sentiment voiced --- most of my friends have similar convictions as I, but many of them refuse to accept that they are Germans too: A constant source of bickering 'tis.

    The second is from different Germanic ethnos: an Icelandic to England, a German to Norway, etc. In my opinion, the first is the most acceptable, I don't even consider it real immigration. The second is acceptable in limited numbers, because too many people of a different language and culture would have impact on the country.
    Either way, I agree with much of the sentiment you voice in those lines. I will continue to propose unlimited immigration between all types of Germans until the day that I die --- as long as they still respect our regional differences. If a Westphalian comes along to preach Prussian Power in my little Bajuvarian hide-out then I shall point his Prussian backside to reason.

    On a more light-hearted note that means - as long as they respect the fact that Weißwürste are only eaten before noontime whenever a person of Bajuvarian heritage indulges in them, and as long as they respect that the Austrian indulges in unhealthy amounts of White Wine, alternatively Weißbier and all types of lagers over their "premium pils" and all other piss-water beers that they know way up north (I'm sorry - we're just superior on our brewing down south, only the Flemish and Wallonians [in short "the Belgians"] rival us on that account ... and Austrian white wine is by far the best White Wine in the world )

    And appreciation of local bread spread such as Obatzda or Verhackert' is of course compuslory.

    Intra-ethnic migration is not an issue: Most sentiments will be understood, the mentality will be similar (though again, I identify a certain "tribal mentality" existing, which is important too), the language, the history and all those things will be similar. There is no need why we should be limiting the influx of any German from another German-speaking country or a German-speaking enclave. These are our primary brothers, they are of a nation with us, they deserve our hospitality unlimited.

    As for Intra-Metaethnic migration I also agree with the sentiments you voiced: Whilst it is not destructive in the slightest, and whilst I would not impose limits either on such migration per se, the numbers are an important matter. If half a million Germans suddenly settled in Iceland, it would distort the Icelandic heritage beyond the reasonable: There would then be more Germans than Icelanders in Iceland --- whilst many cultural norms will still be shared, the Icelandic language would probably suffer irrepairable damage. So as such, maybe a requirement should be that they are proficient with the language, well-acquainted with the local culture, or at least be very willing to learn them immediately upon their arrival.

    A definite requirement, as said in both paragraphs somewhat, is of course an appreciation of the local customs, these must not get lost: Whilst intra-Germanic migration and intra-Germanic breeding is of no great destructive quality, it must be accepted that at the same time as we shall stand united, must we still support its regional diversification, right down into the heritage exclusive to one valley alone, and as such, before moving elsewhere, familiarise ourselves with the local customs there, and if possible, participate in them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    I think "Other." should be renamed to "Yes - but only immigration that is racially beneficial."
    Care to explain as to what you mean by "racially beneficial"? If you feel that those accepted should be primarily of phenotypes most readily present in the area of questions - i.e. that a Dinarid Bavarian would look more out of place in Iceland than a Nordid/Borreby or Trønder Bavarian - then I can agree with that sentiment to some extent and at least understand it. If you are however talking about "Northing up" one's area even though it may not originally be of such Nordid influence, it would be a plan that I hold in utter contempt. I did not even hold that opinion when I was somewhat Nordicist/Nordishist.

    The poll could also be turned into multiple choice with additional options for the volume of migration.
    No problem - we can of course affix the options available for voting if you and others supply us with reasonable suggestions to diversify the options available. At that time it also important though that all that have not specified which option they voted for provide us with information as to what they voted for - otherwise the poll would be distorted: lest we renew the poll altogether and request people to vote anew (since this is a little harder to do though, I would prefer the former option).

    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    before the Flemish influx (of intelligentsia)
    I understand that the excellent Flemish university of Leuven was a major source of intellectual thought in the Flemish/Dutch speaking area and even all of Europe at that point.

    A Hollander is more outgoing, open, talkative, selfconfident. Flemings are introvert, quiet, distrustful of strangers, and they shun the individual: anybody who establishes himself as a unique persona, professional or otherwise.
    Could this be why the Flemish tend to be more conservative than the Hollander, as I seem to have gathered by observation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    If I were to emigrate to the Netherlands, for example, being assimilable would mean I would be a Dutch-speaking Afrikaner, but my children would be Dutch, since my ethnicity is close to that of the Dutch (Afrikaner = Nederduits) and my children would have learned the local culture from childhood. In that way I'll remain a "foreign Germanic", but my move would be beneficial to the size of the ethnic Dutch population for the next generation. Comments on this perspective?
    Both the individuals (and their children) as such and their numbers have to assimilable. The question in this case is really whether the Netherlands can expect a mass influx from South Africa. It is still not as damaging as non-Germanic immigration, but the mass migration of people from the German East, for example, was not a minor issue at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    Care to explain as to what you mean by "racially beneficial"?
    It is deliberately vague in order to make it a voting option with a wider reach. As for my own opinion, it is deliberately vague as well. Anthropology is not my field and policy should rely on qualified opinions. A sudden mass influx of Nordids is certainly not my plan since that would violate the other principle I mentioned. When I talk about their emigration, I am also referring to certain other destinations we recently discussed at length, which is beyond the scope of this topic. Still, there would be an element of demographic policy involved, no matter where.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    If you feel that those accepted should be primarily of phenotypes most readily present in the area of questions - i.e. that a Dinarid Bavarian would look more out of place in Iceland than a Nordid/Borreby or Trønder Bavarian - then I can agree with that sentiment to some extent and at least understand it.
    Yes, "looking out of place" is also an important issue for group consciousness and this has to be duly considered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    No problem - we can of course affix the options available for voting if you and others supply us with reasonable suggestions to diversify the options available.
    I would suggest adding options for low/medium/unlimited volume of intra-Germanic immigration, but if it is too much of hassle to change the poll type from single options to multiple options, then let's just stick with adding the one option I already proposed.

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    I voted other. I would accept unlimited immigration from countries like Australia, New Zealand, etc, to England without even really thinking of it as immigration. I would also welcome immigration from other Germanic countries, but only if it was at a rate that was easily assimilable.

    For example, we have hundreds of thousands of South Africans living in England these days. And despite not being Anglo-Saxon, they speak English, look English, and fit in with remarkably little trouble. 50 years down the line there will be very little to tell their families apart from the natives.

    If there were 5 million of them here, then obviously the situation would be different.
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    The state should control the race of the immigrant, and then the rest is a question that should be answered by the targeted rural municipality of the immigrant, they will have to live with him and they need to decide whether they want to accept him, this should go for national migration as well, with cities as exceptions, but Germany needs to be de-urbanized anyways.
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    I encountered a school party of German speaking children many years ago. They all had black hair and eyes but they weren't Turks. I assumed they were Austrian. If so I would not consider them Germanic or my kin.

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