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    Quote Originally Posted by Drim View Post
    Seems we end up with no Germanics at all....
    There are good enough definitions for who is Germanic and who is not, now the question is whether someone with 1/4th Gypsi (or any non-Eropean) blood falls under this category, I doubt.
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    Not that my opinion matters (these days), but in the Middle Ages one of the favourite pass-time of the clerics was the ongoing tedious discussion about the gender of angels, centuries later the Catholic Church in Europe is in its death bed...

    In Constantinopel intellectuals and clergymen had similar floods of intellectual drivel available on matters best reserved as an afterthought in footnotes, while the Turks were tearing down the walls of their city...

    I am sure we'll all know with whom Fortis sides when it comes in standing up for our common future...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef View Post
    Not that my opinion matters (these days), but in the Middle Ages one of the favourite pass-time of the clerics was the ongoing tedious discussion about the gender of angels, centuries later the Catholic Church in Europe is in its death bed...

    In Constantinopel intellectuals and clergymen had similar floods of intellectual drivel available on matters best reserved as an afterthought in footnotes, while the Turks were tearing down the walls of their city...

    I am sure we'll all know with whom Fortis sides when it comes in standing up for our common future...
    The question is, do we want 1/4 Gypsies to be one with us. I do not. As some members said already, it's very disturbing how some of you here downplay the significance of 1/4 non-European blood and compare it to insignificant things like the angels' gender.

    If our common future involves 1/4 non-European people being accepted as Germanic, then I better get my black dress and prepare for the funeral of my race and nation.

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    Some famous Gypsies & part-Gypsies below. To say they are non-European is over-egging the pudding. Partially non-European yet fully Caucasian is fairer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romnichal





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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    1/4 Celtic/Finnish/Slavic would of course be no problem at all, because the race is essentially the same and genetically they are extremely close. Also Northern Italians and northeastern French are genetically very close to Germanic people, because of historical origin.
    Well, it wouldn´t be a problem for you, but it would be a problem for me. Our opinions just differ here. Okay, Celts and Germanics are of no real big difference and the historical distinction between Celts and Germanics is a little bit unclear and blurry even nowadays, but I´m far away from recognizing Germanic/Slavic- or Germanic/Pandanian-mixes as Germanics on the same eye-level. They are mixed and it´s important to acknowledge this fact. It shouldn´t become the norm or the ideal. We shouldn´t advocate such mixings, yet we mustn´t treat them with disrespect or hate.

    I, too, see a problem in the attempts to broaden the span of tolerance about the question "What is Germanic enough?" further and further. There has to be a border somewhere and I, personally, would set this border more tightly. We shouldn´t become too tolerant since tolerance is it which makes our European societies weak and vulnerable.

    We can make exclusions from the norm for proven individuals (like Blood Axis or Fortis ), but we shouldn´t dilute the norm.

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    Sometimes it's actually nice being just a plain ol' 'white' American.

    Yes, I jest but it is just to ease the tension a wee bit.

    Anyway, I believe that Rule 1B reads quite clearly and should suffice to answer any questions raised herein.

    Not everything in life is black or white, Germanic or non-Germanic. Needless to say, there are shades, gradations, clines and levels of acceptability. Certainly these levels will vary from person to person and in a comminity such as this, it is difficult to weigh everyone's specific level of acceptability, take them all in and try to meld them into one community meme. We do try our best, really, we do.

    When we get our own country founded, the first thing we'll need to do is set up a Ministry of Phenotypes and Genotypes.

    Craniometric examination, pigmentation analysis and a full-scale autosomnal DNA test will be mandatory for all persons wishing residence in Skadiland. Me thinks many will be surprised as what will be revealed!

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    As some of you recall I have admitted to remote & minute Amerindian ancestry from the colonial era. And I have researched my ancestry pretty throughly, though there are some lines that petered out in the 18th century because of poor record keeping or lost records. Also persons who were of partial Indian ancestry but paid taxes & were US citizens were counted as White in official records. So last March I was surprised when one of my aunts (father's sister) asked me to make copies of this old photo with my scanner & printer:


    According to my aunt & the information written on the back of the photo, this is my great-great-grandmother, my paternal grandmother's maternal grandmother. She was suppose to be the Indian I had heard of in the familytree but had never been able to find documation of. Of this woman's ancestry, I do not know who her father's paternal grandmother was, her paternal grandfather appearing, along with a brother, in a noted (and documented) pioneering family on the Virginia frontier. Of her maternal family, I know her ancestors came from New Jersey before moving to North Carolina around the time of the American Revolution but there is scant information on the women they married other then their first names. But all were legally White. I asked one person here if they thought I should leave after coming across this info but this person said since I was a strong advocate of Germanic preservation I should stay.


    This is my grandmother, the granddaughter of the woman in the previous photo. She was never mistaken as Indian or as non-White. Though recently when I asked Agrippa to classify me he asked for ancestoral photos for comparison & he did detect northeastern (European) or Mongolid influence around my grandmother's eyes & cheekbones ( I didn't tell him about grandma's grandmother). But most persons are not trained anthropologists.

    Based on this recent discovery, I can assume I am at least 5% but no more then 8% Amerindian/Mongolid. Which would put on par with Lappish Norwegians & Swedes (not implying all Scandinavians are part Lapp). But I don't think of myself as mixed, don't identify with the Native American movement, have any interest in petitioning for a reservation or opening a casino. I still identify with my colonial era European ancestors. I still disapprove of miscegenation even though it is obvious some of my ancestors committed miscegenation. And I'm still in favor of Germanic preservation & the promotion of an Anglo-American agenda in the US. And for the record, I expressed doubts about "purity" & the one-drop rule long before discovering this info about my recent ancestry because of my own knowledge about genealogical research & because of mathematical odds against purity. I also still think that cases like mine (White but with recent Amerindian ancestry) are the exception among White Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    Well, it wouldn´t be a problem for you, but it would be a problem for me. Our opinions just differ here. Okay, Celts and Germanics are of no real big difference and the historical distinction between Celts and Germanics is a little bit unclear and blurry even nowadays, but I´m far away from recognizing Germanic/Slavic- or Germanic/Pandanian-mixes as Germanics on the same eye-level. They are mixed and it´s important to acknowledge this fact. It shouldn´t become the norm or the ideal. We shouldn´t advocate such mixings, yet we mustn´t treat them with disrespect or hate.
    I'm not advocating mixings, I just think in the modern perspective it's no big deal, provided there is close genetic/cultural proximity. Living here in England, I see such a mass of mixed people, that to be excessively purist could do more harm to racial average than otherwise. Maybe we're also confusing race and culture/ethnicity. Ethnicity is more of a social construct than race. If a Pole grew up in a German-adopted family, had a perfectly German culture, would you notice the difference? If anything, this individual would probably more likely be blond and blue-eyed.

    We face a greater problem in Europe, than to quibble about European ethnic boundaries. The genuine threat of negroid, North African, Turkic, etc infiltration is so serious that we need to spend all our resources in trying to oppose this. Perhaps when the Pole and the German take hands, we will be more successful in finding solutions. We (Germanics) need all the help and the goodwill that we can get.

    As for me, I trace all of my ancestors from a small corner in Northern Europe, encompassing Netherlands, Niedersachsen, Westphalia, Schleswig-Holstein and southern Denmark. I guess that places me firmly in the Germanic category. This is traced from 1596, before the Thirty Years War, where the German population received a considerable infusion of non-Germanic (southern European) genes.

    I don't know what Pandanian is ...

    I, too, see a problem in the attempts to broaden the span of tolerance about the question "What is Germanic enough?" further and further. There has to be a border somewhere and I, personally, would set this border more tightly. We shouldn´t become too tolerant since tolerance is it which makes our European societies weak and vulnerable.

    We can make exclusions from the norm for proven individuals (like Blood Axis or Fortis ), but we shouldn´t dilute the norm.
    Well I agree with you, but we should also distinguish between what is allowed on the forum, in discussions, and what we would actually want to become family. There is definitely a difference.

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    I'm reluctant to become involved in this debate, but it seems to me that there are certain people on Skadi who are so 'perfectionist' that they rarely involve themselves in discussions that aren't questioning the validity of somebody here. Some of you might remember that my preservationist credibility has been called into question because my Mother is Dutch even. I was told that I am not and can never be a preservationist. That's ok. Fortunately I don't put too much sway in the self-righteous words of others, and I would hope that Fortis and the other accused do likewise.

    Point is, I'm not against the right of Todesengel, Barin etc to hold the views they hold. In fact, I admire their conviction. It's clear that even among ourselves we have different notions and standards of what preservationism is. The problem is that no single one among us has the right to dictate what Skadi's criteria should be, and despite what some think, preservationism is subjective, and it does carry shades of grey. This is only an internet forum for gods' sake. As Allenson said, the rules are clear and as long as everyone is focussed on discussing Germanicism, the rules are not being breached.

    Preservationism is cultural and it is racial. Does Fortis look anything other than Germanic? Not from what I've seen (actually, much like Oswiu, I probably appear less Germanic than Fortis despite being wholly/knowingly of Germanic extraction). Is he culturally anything other than Germanic? Not significantly. That's all I need to know and I'm going to quietly slip back out of this thread if possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    What are you doing on a Germanic forum if you believe the designation 'Germanic' is silly and infantile?

    I would not call fortis 'proven" as Dagna has pointed out, it is just the apposite. . I do not understand how in blazes anyone can say the he is a "proven" entity, when he posts that 'Germanic is a silly construct".

    This is post modernism and semiotics at work. This is what allows males to reasign themselves as females and then force goverments to accept them real women and legaly classify them as such.
    This individual is not stupid, He has a plan, he is insiduous.

    Please read this carefully.

    As an example, let me use the Social Constructionist branch of Radical Feminists. The Social Constructionist Radical Feminists form the backbone of the legal and academic thinkers in the feminist establishment. They officially seek to "Undo gender". This means they seek a world where there are no "men" and no "women", but only people wth differing biologies.

    That is the blueprint tha "Fortis" is utilizing here.
    If "Germanic" and "white" are silly constructs,
    Then they must be false
    If they are false
    Then there are no Germanics
    If there are no Germanics
    Then there are no Germans
    If there are no Germans
    Then there is no Germany.
    There are no Slavs, there are no Turks, no Italians no blacks.
    His offering is that the land is occupied by many people with deifferent genetic realities and some are more desireable than others .....*and any individual is free to choose his genetic reality*, that is, to custumize his or her genes by mixing, because if there is no such thing as Germanic then there is nothing between you and miscegination other than your "free will". to pick a desirable genetic makeup for your future generations..

    Helloo "National Anarchist". Did you read that on his profile? I think Genetic anarchist describes his ideology better..

    National Anarchist is an oxymoron. It is joke on you 'moderates' here.He thinks that he out-smarting you. Anarchists don't believe in nations.

    How in the World can we say that this individual is pro-Germanic?
    If anything "White and Germanic are silly constructs" is the most German- hating statement anyone could ever make. It is in fact saying that we do not exist.

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