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    Post Julius Evola/ Those Who Hate "Modernity"

    I am interested in understanding the ideas of Julius Evola. At the moment I am reading a link given to me by Sepp-Ubermensch which describes a book of Evola from a National Anarchist perspective. The link is this one : http://www.rosenoire.org/articles/militant.php . I am interested to get to know better his main ideas and ideals as from what I have read I find it of interest. So let us start some discussion. What were his main ideas?

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    Post Evola [1899-1974]

    I am no expert on Evola, but I have been a subscriber to Michael Walker's 'The Scorpion' magazine for some time now, where Evola's ideas are often discussed.

    Evola appears to have a pan-European, radical and aristocratic out-look. His thinking seems to have much in common with postions advanced here by ourselves.

    For example, an article on Evola by M.Aprille in The Scorpion states;

    "There are political movements which interpret their political struggle incorrectly because they concentrate all their strength on propaganda and proselytism and are content with party politics. They do not take what Evola called 'interior edification' (edificazione interiore) into consideration ..."
    [ib.,]

    I have argued that not only is the spiritual, or interior, largely neglected among nationalists, but that this is causing the political itself to 'dry-up'.
    A spiritual/political nexus is needed - one to the exclusion of the other spells doom for both.

    "Evola showed that it's possible to become engaged in political activity without forgetting the necessity of spiritual research ..."
    [ib.,]

    There is a parallel in the next passage with Islam's concept of the Lesser and Greater Jihads;

    "In 'The Aryan Doctrine of Struggle and Victory' (Dottrina aria di lotta e vittoria), Evola shows us admirably how the true spiritual warrior has to be one who brings the spiritual fight into the external world. The ancient Aryan doctrine of the 'little and great holy war' (la grande e la piccola guerra santa) is explained ..."
    [ib.,]

    Race was for him as much a spiritual concept as a biological one [in this he agrees with Spengler and Yockey, for example];

    "Race for Evola is a hierarchical synthesis of spirit, soul and body - in that order.
    He gave pride of place to the Indo-European tradition, but in his studies of the problem of race he attacks the 'purely biological' racism of Alfred Rosenberg".
    [ib.,]

    The work summarised in your link, 'Gli uomini e le rovine', was published in 1953, but;

    "Evola's most important work appeared in 1934 - 'Revolt Against the Modern World' (Rivolta contra il mondo moderno), in which he deeply criticised contemporary mentality anticipating modern critiques of the 'consumer society' ..."
    [ib.,]
    Last edited by Moody; Thursday, March 13th, 2003 at 05:34 PM.
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    Post Evola is interesting

    Thanks for your reply Moody, as always you are one of our most knowledgable members, you must read a lot. Regarding Evola, the way you describe him it all sounds positive. Was he a philo-National Socialist? He lived through Fascist Italy, what were his views on National Socialism and Fascism?

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    Thanks - I am trying to get to an understanding of a philosophical foundation of the movement, and that does take a lot of reading ... and thinking.

    While Evola has many things in common with N-S and Fascism, I believe that he distanced himself from them.
    He found them, I would gather, far too POPULAR and far too MODERN as movements. He held them, I think, as did Spengler, in some aristocratic disdain.

    However, he was far more disparaging of America, and offers some of the earliest anti-American invective in his writings.

    So I'll wager that while he found N-S and Fascism somewhat beneath him, he VASTLY preferred them to Americanism.

    In a post-war article on the internet on 'Hitler and the Secret Societies', Evola mentions that Hitler was 'highly gifted'.
    However, he says in the same breath that National Socialism was a 'disaster' for Europe.
    This is not the same as saying N-S itself was a disaster, but rather the effects of its defeat have been so.

    Some others may have more detailed information on Evola's relation to Mussolini etc.,
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    Post Re: Evola is interesting

    Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
    Thanks for your reply Moody, as always you are one of our most knowledgable members, you must read a lot. Regarding Evola, the way you describe him it all sounds positive. Was he a philo-National Socialist? He lived through Fascist Italy, what were his views on National Socialism and Fascism?
    Evola was not a National Socialist in that he strongly believed in authority and hierarchy, discipline and order akin to the Romans, as opposed to "national community" idea of NS. Evola was a radical traditionalist and an elitist, and he despised the effect of socialism (similar to Nietzsche's view of the slave revolt in morals) over Europe but he looked to the SS with a positive outlook, believing they would be the new elite legions of a European Order, similar to the Teutonic Knights or the Knights Templar.

    He viewed Fascism with two opinions - first, that the desire to reestablish Rome as an Imperial capital was an awesome idea, and should be congratulated, but he opposed the idea of total mobilization which Mussolini attempted (and failed miserably, as opposed to Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler), and its blind "state as an end in itself" ideals. The State, he suggested, should aim towards something higher, and Evola took on an almost Platonic view, believing in a world of Tradition, and that the best society is one which conforms to the form of Tradition, while the most degenerate are those which fall away from it.

    I think, personally, that Evola had much in common with Plato.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Evola ...

    also viewed the individual, not the least of which himself, in contradictory ways.

    As Moody pointed out, he made calls to spirituality, disdained the throng and ended up ostracized. He was ever adrift from just about all of humanity in his own individualism.

    One is inclined to believe that Evola would have been sadly alone in any age.

    Still, his belief in a higher order, even if 'esoteric', suggests a pool of adepts with which he could have been brothers. But not to be.

    If anything, there is an aristocratic meltdown with Evola. Likely the influence of Vedanta and Bhudda were too prominent in his thinking. The individual quest leaves little room for community.

    His spiritual side will be of little use in revitalizing NS. He is incongruent with 'community' and, at any rate, aracial where he does delve. He has some small value for religious diaspora, but not much for political NS.

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    I don't know a great deal about Evola's conception of race, but here's my go, based on what I know of FP Yockey, who seems fairly similar:

    Race in Yockey's conception has two meanings: the objective conception of Race, which is essentially what we're dealing with here: race in a biological-spiritual community. In this sense only is it possible to understand Adolf Hitler's conception of race. He talks about a German 'race' - despite that Hitler built this idea on blood, it was equally one of spirit. A German could go to Russia and become culturally assimilated and then identify with Russia as his motherland, he would become Russian. Europe is a biological haze - I think its easiest to drawn boundaries between biological Europe and biological non-Europe. In this sense I refer to the white Eurasian race spanning from Gibraltar to the Urals. This would also include white America and the ex-British colonies such as South Africa (yes, the Boers aren't British culturally and probably never will be, nevertheless they are obviously Europeans, I'm referring to the fact South Africa was controlled politically by Great Britain), Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the other white enclaves across the world. Nevertheless, Race for Yockey is more than biological, it is spiritual (i.e. cultural, one of identity).

    Yockey also believes in a subjective conception of Race. The subjective conception of race is not what one is, but what one feels. Probably best explained as an analogy - "That man has class", meaning refined manners. "That man has race", meaning will to power, strength, integrity, identity, and willing to put his life on the line and even lose it in order to get what he believes in. Honour is of prime importance.

    I think the first explanation I have offered from Yockey is similar to what Evola means by race in terms of 'body'. The second possibly corresponds with Evola's definition of race in terms of 'soul'. By spirit, I would assume he refers to the character of an individual who is honest, wanting to learn, has integrity, altruism, and lives with strange detatchedness from the world. I'm assuming this because Evola seems to believe in the Aryan triple-class model that runs something along the lines of 'producers-guardians-priests'.

    That's my guess. Evola's spiritual orientation probably won't help in a revitalization of NS, but I think his ideas are brilliant as far as a total ressurection of the Occident goes.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Julius Evola and Radical Traditionalism

    I just thought I might share a few links about the man and his work...


    http://www.monas.nl/think/pdf/monas%...0biography.pdf

    (a biography)

    http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/

    (excellent site about Radical Traditionalism. Contains several texts)

    http://altreligion.about.com/library/bl_evola.htm

    (a bunch of online texts)

    http://www.kiva.net/~julianus/tradition.html

    (another Rad. Trad. site)

    http://www.fondazione-evola.it/

    (in Italian)

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    Question Julius Evola

    Anybody familiar with his works? He seems fascinating though I know nothing of him. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...nce&s=books&st=*
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    Post Re: Julius Evola

    Check out these websites:

    http://thompkins_cariou.tripod.com/
    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/archive.html

    Troy Southgate has written an extensive, chapter-by-chapter piece about Julius Evola's book 'Men Among the Ruins', which can be found here:
    http://www.rosenoire.org/articles/militant.php

    Please bear in mind that this is as much a National-Anarchist interpretation of the work as it is an accurate summary.

    If you have any specific questions, I might try to answer them. I'm no expert on Evola, but I've read some of his work.

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