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    Quote Originally Posted by exit View Post
    EDIT; these posts were moved from the thread "How to Revitalise the Church?"
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=110303
    If you can think of a better thread title for it all, or have any other queries, then please send a pm and it will de seen to. Thanks, Oswiu


    Originally Christianity wasn't a church or religion but strictly an initiatic path as Islamic tradition says, which is also evident in that it has no exoteric spiritual law and had to adapt Roman law once it descended into a religion. That being said, I'd much rather have a less popular religion but of a higher quality than a popular and unified religion of very low quality. Most Christians today are not even Christian, do not go past historicism, moralism or politics, and even confuse doctrine with legalistic codes. You cannot revitalize the church until the people themselves change, as the church is only a reflection of the people.

    Christianity was inferior to the higher logic of the Stoic. It is a creation a blend of the stoic logic and the fantasy of Judaism.The perfect faith for those living in the Roman Empire who were either barbarian ancestry or of Jewish heritage, both groups needing an alternative religious doctrine in replace of the Imperial cult..
    Christianity has been successful because it appealed to mans sense of humanity and need of salvation from the daily tasks of life. The stoic was just to intellectual for the fantasy faiths.

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    More quotes from the Rig Veda:

    “Armed with his bolt and trusting in his prowess he wandered shattering the forts of Dāsas. Cast thy dart, knowing, Thunderer, at the Dasyu; increase the Ārya’s might and glory, Indra. For him who thus hath taught these human races, Maghavan, bearing a fame-worthy title, Thunderer, drawing nigh to slay the Dasyus, hath given himself the name of Son for glory” (I.103).

    “Valiantly didst thou seize and take the store which Śuṣṇa had amassed, when thou didst crush his fortresses” (IV.30), for “may we be glad a hundred winters with brave sons” (VI.10).

    “Let our true God subdue the hostile rabble: let not the lewd approach our holy worship” (VII.21).

    “Drive off the folk who love not Gods” (IX.63).

    And VII.104: "Indra and Soma, burn, destroy the demon foe, send downward, O ye Bulls, those who add gloom to gloom. Annihilate the fools, slay them and burn them up: chase them away from us, pierce the voracious ones. Indra and Soma, let sin round the wicked boil like as a caldron set amid the flames of fire. Against the foe of prayer, devourer of raw flesh, the vile fiend fierce of eye, keep ye perpetual hate. Indra and Soma, plunge the wicked in the depth, yea, cast them into darkness that hath no support, so that not one of them may ever thence return: so may your wrathful might prevail and conquer them. Indra and Soma, hurl your deadly crushing bolt down on the wicked fiend from heaven and from the earth. Yea, forge out of the mountains your celestial dart wherewith ye burn to death the waxing demon race. Indra and Soma, cast ye downward out of heaven your deadly darts of stone burning with fiery flame, Eternal, scorching darts; plunge the voracious ones within the depth, and let them sink without a sound. Indra and Soma, let this hymn control you both, even as the girth encompasses two vigorous steeds. The song of praise which I with wisdom offer you: do ye, as Lords of men, animate these my prayers. In your impetuous manner think ye both thereon: destroy these evil beings, slay the treacherous fiends. Indra and Soma, let the wicked have no bliss who evermore assails us with malignity. Whoso accuses me with words of falsehood when I pursue my way with guileless spirit, may he, the speaker of untruth, be, Indra, like water which the hollowed hand compresses. Those who destroy, as is their wont, the simple, and with their evil natures harm the righteous, may Soma give them over to the serpent, or to the lap of Nirrti consign them. The fiend, O Agni, who designs to injure the essence of our food, kine, steeds, or bodies, may he, the adversary, thief, and robber, sink to destruction, both himself and offspring. May he be swept away, himself and children: may all the three earths press him down beneath. May his fair glory, O ye gods, be blighted, who in the day or night would fain destroy us. The prudent finds it easy to distinguish the true and false: their words oppose each other. Of these two that which is the true and honest, Soma protects, and brings the false to nothing. Never doth Soma aid and guide the wicked or him who falsely claims the Warrior’s title. He slays the fiend and him who speaks untruly: both lie entangled in the noose of Indra. As if I worshipped deities of falsehood, or thought vain thoughts about the gods, O Agni… Destruction fall on those who lie against thee… Śakra makes sharp his weapon for the wicked: now let him cast his bolt at fiendish wizards… Let not the fiend of witchcraft-workers reach us… Slay the male demon, Indra, slay the female, joying and triumphing in arts of magic. Let the fools’ gods with bent necks fall and perish, and see no more the Sun when he arises.”
    "The human state is an exit." -Frithjof Schuon

    "Make me immortal in that realm where they move even as they list, in the third sphere of inmost heaven where lucid worlds are full of light." -Rig Veda IX.113

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    Two more lovely quotes: “he smote the Dasyus and gave protection to the Āryan caste” (III.34); “Indra in battles helps his Āryan worshipper to win the light of heaven, blazing to where he burns each covetous man away, he burns the tyrannous away” (I.130).
    "The human state is an exit." -Frithjof Schuon

    "Make me immortal in that realm where they move even as they list, in the third sphere of inmost heaven where lucid worlds are full of light." -Rig Veda IX.113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    Christianity was inferior to the higher logic of the Stoic. It is a creation a blend of the stoic logic and the fantasy of Judaism.The perfect faith for those living in the Roman Empire who were either barbarian ancestry or of Jewish heritage, both groups needing an alternative religious doctrine in replace of the Imperial cult..
    Christianity has been successful because it appealed to mans sense of humanity and need of salvation from the daily tasks of life. The stoic was just to intellectual for the fantasy faiths.
    It's a delusion to mistake a Rabbi for a Guru, but the main of this thread deals with the fantasy rendering involved. Why should Aryans take a Rabbi for a Guru, or a 'Saviour'? What could one dead Jew mean in the grand scheme of things?

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