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Thread: Is It Time for a New Nationalist Party?

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    Is It Time for a New Nationalist Party?

    I don't mean to offend any devout BNP supporters here. For the most part, I admire the BNP - particularly for their conviction, courage and work-ethic. But in light of recent events, I feel certain that a new, more carefully designed Nationalist party in Britain really could prosper hugely. Here's why:

    - The majority of the British public are secretly concerned about immigration levels and national identity. We all know plenty of people who were previously (and in all other issues) liberal, who confide in their friends, family and neighbours their opposition to immigration levels, benefit exploitation and fading identity. I'm stunned when browsing the web at how many neutral comments boards are rammed full of Brits venting about mass-immigration and multi-culturalism. One example here. Many of these people might be tempted to secretly vote BNP, but that's not enough. For a Nationalist party to be successful, it will require open vocal and financial support. These people won't openly support the BNP because a) they're not racist and fear being associated as such, and b) they fear being struck by the same unfair discrimination that all mainstream media subjects BNP members to.

    - The recently leaked BNP member list, I feel, will have damaged the party immensely. Many of these people, though desperate to support a Nationalist party, will feel betrayed by the BNP.

    - The media have become experts at discrediting the BNP. They know the BNP inside and out and exploit their weaknesses. To be honest, this isn't difficult to do when you have thick neo-nazis like Mark Collett willing to represent the BNP on national television.

    - The BNP draw support almost exclusively because of their policy on immigration and identity. But intrigued liberals, I'm confident, are often driven away by some of the BNP's secondary policies. For example, most people do still want to offer foreign aid, and would rather do so than spend on defence. On immigration, the BNP is 100% in touch with the people. On other issues, not so much.

    - The oft-used claim that the BNP has its origins in more extreme organisations like the NF, and its associations with anti-semitic, violent sites like Redwatch do nothing but deter voters. Basically, there are too many things for the media to use effectively against the BNP.

    In short, there's a new demographic of mostly-liberal, partially conservative people that have been created by the fast-changing face of Britain. I feel that if a new party were to be designed for them, it could in time make more gains than the BNP has the capability to.

    My suggestions:

    - First and foremost, the party's public tagline would emphasize anti-racism above all else. I know some of you who are unconcerned about being labelled racist might think this a ridiculous idea, but the fact is that the BNP would gain tenfold its vocal supporters if it espoused anti-racism at every single turn, not just when defending accusations.

    - Give NOTHING for the media to attack or skew. Indeed, they can skew any belief system to make it appear bad. But let's be honest, the BNP give too much.

    - Attract those disenchanted BNP members, who are not racist, who feel let down by the BNP.

    - Work hard to promote British culture instead of only denouncing outside culture. I strongly believe that if Brits were encouraged to embrace their own indigenous culture, everything else would fix itself.

    - Promote Pan-Nationalism. Perhaps if a party spent some time educating immigrants of first, second, third or more generation that they have duties and non-erasable ties to their ancestral country, they wouldn't so much have to be pushed out, as pulled by their own free will. A successful party would make every effort not to blame or denigrate immigrants, but instead focus all blame of the corrupt dual-party system and its debilitating institutions of political correctness and cultural destruction.

    I'd love some of your thoughts on this. A new party, in normal circumstances, would take decades to develop any kind of sway. But these are not normal circumstances. The people are crying out for a new party. They want to vote BNP, but are fundamentally unable to.
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    Added a poll for those who don't feel encouraged to comment (and those who do).
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    The very real risk of course is, that they'd be subject to the same muckraking the BNP are. They'd get infiltrated, any innocent mistakes would be shoved down their throats forever, agents provocateur would ensure that such things happened. So you'd have created a lot of ill feeling among the Old Guard who've been putting their necks on the line for decades, while possibly just splitting the existing vote without earning any more popularity due to media demonisation.

    I don't know, it's a hard one. The BNP do have me pulling my hair out at times, Collett being a great example. He even looks off-putting. Or can BNPers convince me that things really are turning around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    The recently leaked BNP member list, I feel, will have damaged the party immensely. Many of these people, though desperate to support a Nationalist party, will feel betrayed by the BNP.
    I have heard a lot of people saying this, but I reckon this episode will do nothing but good for the BNP ultimately.
    No more do the ignorant think the BNP is just a party of uneducated, lowlife Nazis who wish for 'genocideofsixmillionjewsandallnonwhites goddamnthem'

    "Teachers and professors are supporters of the BNP? Perhaps the party isn't all that bad, then!"

    Put on top of this the attacks which will only increase and the masses will really see who is 'real' and who are the evil little Nazis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    The media have become experts at discrediting the BNP. They know the BNP inside and out and exploit their weaknesses. To be honest, this isn't difficult to do when you have thick neo-nazis like Mark Collett willing to represent the BNP on national television.
    You have raised a very good point there. Every attack always centres around that little weakness.
    It would be the strongest reason in my eyes to create a new party from scratch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    The BNP draw support almost exclusively because of their policy on immigration and identity. But intrigued liberals, I'm confident, are often driven away by some of the BNP's secondary policies. For example, most people do still want to offer foreign aid, and would rather do so than spend on defence. On immigration, the BNP is 100% in touch with the people. On other issues, not so much.
    Then, in all honesty, the people who keep wishing to piss down dark holes are neither welcome nor wanted.

    I did vote for the first option, but generally I am of the belief that once you start you must continue till the end.

    The BNP is growing, and growing fast. It is truly amazing how many people there is out there day to day who would fit nicely within the BNP, but are not bothered or just plain occupied by stupid day to day inanities to get up and shout and be counted.

    Most of them are just scared. All the more reason for those who are not to stand up for them.
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    This is a very interesting post. I understand the hesitations of supporting a stigmatised group like the BNP, particularly for reasons such as a lack of confidence in non-immigration policies. They appear to be a one-trick pony and whether or not that's true, they will be perceived that way for a long time. Some leading MPs even want them banned outright, which shows just how difficult it is going to be for them going forward.

    I agree with your suggestions below as a starting point (although I'd say it is impossible to give the media nothing they can skew or attack as they will spin quotations far beyond original context if they want to).

    Ultimately, there is a negativity associated with the BNP, and nationalism in general, and changing the emphasis to positivity is likely the most effective way of making long-term, substantial political gains.

    Running a nation requires an entire manifesto of sound, cohesive policies that work towards the same end. Do you believe the BNP have such a manifesto? Or, once they'd ejected all undesirables (if they even got that far), would they simply bring the nation to it's knees through political incompetence?

    The other argument is over whether division is the way forwards. Do we need another nationalist party that would have to win over a good number of BNP supporters as well as taking on huge numbers of new votes? Remember the law of 'divide and rule'. Too many parties could mean too quiet a voice, unless coalitions were instigated in the early stages.

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    Good points. I must stress that I value and admire the work done by the BNP and would be hesitant to undermine them. But I can't help feeling that their failure is guaranteed, and this is largely unfortunate as opposed to being due to inadequacies. They may be growing, but as stated in numerous articles, this, our current economic and cultural climate should have been the time of enormous prosperity for the BNP. It hasn't been as prosperous as it perhaps should and I believe this is because of the fundamental reasons I raised in my original post. Our current situation is bad enough, and yet BNP voters are few and far between. It's hard to imagine a climate that's sufficiently worse than our current one so as to attract a majority of voters to the BNP - short of white Brits becoming a minority in this country, in which case the BNP have already lost within a democratic system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    They may be growing, but as stated in numerous articles, this, our current economic and cultural climate should have been the time of enormous prosperity for the BNP.
    I will start shouting for my horse when they get over the first fence.

    Have patience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Ash View Post
    Ultimately, there is a negativity associated with the BNP, and nationalism in general, and changing the emphasis to positivity is likely the most effective way of making long-term, substantial political gains.

    Running a nation requires an entire manifesto of sound, cohesive policies that work towards the same end. Do you believe the BNP have such a manifesto? Or, once they'd ejected all undesirables (if they even got that far), would they simply bring the nation to it's knees through political incompetence?
    Starting a new party is not going to help as the problem is with the PC media loathing anything that smacks of right wing ideas. Hitler was the worst thing that could have happened to our country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    They may be growing, but as stated in numerous articles, this, our current economic and cultural climate should have been the time of enormous prosperity for the BNP.
    The economic situation has not effected the majority of people on the street yet, but it will and as it will then be time for the next general election Equally more people vote BNP than are on a members list, especially as people are afraid to be seen as BNP supporters but realise that the vote is anonymous, so still can vote BNP.
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    The worst thing to do would be to scrap all of that hard work of getting ones foot in the door over the leaking of the membership list. If people can't publicly stand by their actions--and some rather "famous" people already have--then who needs you? Grass-roots political action is only worth something if its public. The best thing to do would be to get better leadership, stop all of these silly compromises with the opposition, internal schisms, etc., and act more professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrymheim View Post
    Starting a new party is not going to help as the problem is with the PC media loathing anything that smacks of right wing ideas.
    I fully agree. But notice that the media has to repeatedly label the BNP racist in order to shut down those right-wing ideas. The general public despise racism instinctively, but are either confused or sympathetic towards patriotism. Give the media absolutely no grounds to label you racist and it takes away a large chunk of their effective ammunition. Of course, the media was still attempt to misrepresent a new Nationalist party, but without the ability to cry 'racism' they'll have a far harder job convincing the wider public that the party is evil.
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