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    Whites Genetically Weaker Than Blacks, Study Finds

    Whites Genetically Weaker Than Blacks, Study Finds


    White Americans are both genetically weaker and less diverse than their black compatriots, a Cornell University-led study finds.

    Analyzing the genetic makeup of 20 Americans of European ancestry and 15 African-Americans, researchers found that the former showed much less variation among 10,000 tested genes than did the latter, which was expected.

    They also found that Europeans had many more possibly harmful mutations than did African, which was a surprise.

    "Since we tend to think of European populations as quite large, we did not expect to see a significant difference in the distribution of neutral and deleterious variation between the two populations," said senior co-author Carlos Bustamante, an assistant professor of biological statistics and computational biology at Cornell.....

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331949,00.html


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    That there's more genetic diversity among Africans than among Europeans is - I believe - old news.

    But it's interesting to read that Africans also have less harmful mutations. Have they evolved less?

    Another explanation that I can think of: if Africans do more inbreeding on average, harmful (recessive) mutations would surface/manifest more often, leading to visibly genetically problematic people (who wouldn't reproduce as much as fit people), or resulting in miscarriages/stillbirths. A good way to root out bad genes.

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    Yeah, I remember this one.

    This is just Fox News being sensationalist. Don't get me wrong, I get a kick out of Fox most of the time...but they can air on the side of yellow journalism from time to time.

    Anyway, here's a quote from the press release:

    "It's difficult to tell what the precise impact that a higher proportion of deleterious single nucleotide polymorphisms in the population will have on the average person's health," said Kirk Lohmueller, a graduate student in both Bustamante's and Clark's labs and the paper's lead author. "More detailed studies that involve sequencing many individuals both with and without certain diseases would better enable us to get at this question."
    So, Fox's headling of "genetically weaker" is a bit of a misnomer, if you ask me. And, it doesn't really fit in with statistics that depict a different story--life span, general health, diseases, etc.

    Another issue I have with the study is that they used American blacks--who are on average, 10-20% Europid genetically. If they really wanted to get to the heart of the matter, they should have used blacks right from west Africa.

    However, the genetic bottleneck that occured and basically seperates sub-Saharan Africans from everyone else may have had an impact in perpetuation of "bad genes"...not to mention the second bottleneck that Europids endured during the last glacial maximum.

    My advice? Stay out of the hot sun!

    I've attached the actual study if anyone is interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Analyzing the genetic makeup of 20 Americans of European ancestry and 15 African-Americans, researchers found that the former showed much less variation among 10,000 tested genes than did the latter, which was expected.
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    Maybe when the Chinese finally take over and start selectively capturing, breeding, and trading in us as their slaves, the tables will be turned on the descendants of African slaves, and our potentially damaging genetic problems will be weeded out.

    Fox never heard of that Sickle Cell thingy, anyway?

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    What is interesting though is that no fuss is made about a finding that Whites are supposedly genetically weaker, worse at sport, more prone to illnesses etc. pp. than Blacks --- yet when a former Nobel Prize Winner states findings that they are not superior in all aspects, but in fact inferior as far as intelligence is concerned, then they kick up the dirt and title him a "racist". Lovely double standards, innit?
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    The the National Human Genome Research Institute met recently to discuss how to deal with genetic issues surrounding race (and how to talk about it without saying that nasty word ) and this study was brought up, amongst others:

    Science 7 November 2008:
    Vol. 322. no. 5903, p. 839
    DOI: 10.1126/science.322.5903.839a
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    PERSONAL GENOMICS:
    The Touchy Subject of 'Race'

    Constance Holden
    Nothing makes scientists more nervous than the topic of "race," so much so that they'd like to find a way not to talk about it at all. That was the core issue last week at a meeting* at the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI) in Rockville, Maryland, where about 40 scientists and ethicists debated how to present the torrent of new findings from human gene sequencing studies to the public.

    In different parts of the world, different gene mutations become advantageous and spread quickly through a population, making some variants more prevalent in particular ancestral groups. Some are innocuous enough--such as the emergence of lactose tolerance in farming populations. But there's already much debate over the use in medicine of findings of racial differences in the prevalence of genes associated with certain diseases. Many scientists predict that it won't be long before they have solid leads on much more controversial genes: genes that influence behavior--possibly including intelligence.

    Everyone at the meeting agreed on the need for non-"fraught" terminology--"geographic ancestry," for example, instead of "race." But specifying such ancestries is also a minefield. "Amerindian," for example, is offensive to Native Americans, according to one speaker. "Caucasian" is also unacceptable because it implies racial rather than geographic ancestry. Some speakers even advised that it is inappropriate to refer to a "European allele" for lactose tolerance, because it also occurs in other groups.

    Participants acknowledged that however they characterize their findings, they can't control what the public makes of them. "When translated into popular culture, society reads whatever term we pick as 'race,' " said Timothy Caulfield, a health law professor at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada. Carlos Bustamante, a population geneticist at Cornell University, said that when his group published a study in Nature this year indicating that European-Americans had more deleterious gene mutations than African-Americans, some publications touted the report as suggesting that blacks are fitter than whites.

    Some tense moments came during a discussion of a paper on brain genes. In 2005, geneticist Bruce Lahn and colleagues at the University of Chicago in Illinois reported evidence for selection in mutations of two genes regulating brain development that are more common in Eurasians than in Africans (Science, 9 September 2005, pp. 1717 and 1720). They hypothesized that these mutations were related to the human cultural explosion some 40,000 years ago (Science, 22 December 2006, p. 1871). Celeste Condit, a professor of speech communication at the University of Georgia, Athens, criticized the way the papers were written, saying they could be seen as having a "political message embedded" in them: that the genes might contribute to racial differences in brain size and therefore perhaps to racial differences in IQ. Lahn denied any political message, telling her she was "putting words in [my] mouth."

    Later, Lahn commented that some scientists "are almost like creationists" in their unwillingness to acknowledge that the brain is not exempt from selection pressures.
    At the end of the day, Allen Buchanan, a philosophy professor at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, warned the group against going overboard. "A visible, concerted effort to change vocabulary for moral reasons is likely to trigger a backlash," he said. There's "risk of … stifling freedom of expression in the name of political correctness," he said, and losing credibility in the process.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../322/5903/839a

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    Don't forget that we are talking about a population with a more rapid rate of generational succession combined with sharper selective pressures so in a sense they are more evolved.
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    I am going to call pseudoscience on this. The first statement of "more diverse" shows the bias of whoever is behind this little snippet. Coming back to common sense, which continent is it that we are dumping medical aid on? Also 10% of Northern Europeans are immune to big diseases such as AID's by genetic mutation alone. It's pretty obvious this is a way to two-tongue the topic of "superior race" and eugenics.

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    Of course Subsaharan Africans can be more "diverse" than Europid and Mongolid populations, since just a certain part of Africans, primarily from genetically already distinct Eatern Africans, left the continent to colonise the rest of the world.

    Later these colonists further spread over huge areas and had to deal with very different, challenging environments, so gendrift and selection was at work, to reduce the variation which they brought to the variation needed. This resulted in specific genes influencing the brain development too I'd say, since in the challenging new habitats, with greater groups, stronger high level individual and group selection, the need to cope with changing weather and temperatures, Ice Ages, climatic changes as well as seasons, resulted in population in which only the more intelligent, rational, group-oriented, attractive-progressive and versatile subjects survived.

    So there are very intelligent Negrids in Subsaharan Africa too and not all of them are the result of genflow from Eurasians, BUT the probability for such an highly intelligent Subsaharan African is lower, because the genetic variation influencing the inherited intelligence level is bigger too and some genes important for higher intelligence seem to have lower frequencies.

    But to start again, the main factor being: Eastern Africans formed an population on their own in a drier, different climate = gendrift and selection No. 1, from these East Africans a certain portion left Africa = No. 2, these spread over Eurasia, split up and only some moving North in the temperate and colder zones = No. 3. and Europe was colonised by just certain parts of those = No. 4.

    Its just logical that Europeans are less diverse. But there is always a good and a bad variation, what progressive racial types of Eurasia got rid off is mostly the negative one which the Southern human forms, still living in conditions similar to those of archaic humanity, preserved more often.
    And there is the genetic diversity which is without significance, having no affect on the phenotype at all.

    But if its about harmful mutations, this relates again to what I said above, namely higher selective pressures towards very specific traits, with relative inbreeding being a necessity.

    This being even stronger and much more one sided, less balanced in one specific population, namely Jews.

    As for some Brahmin subpopulations in India, which are also quite inbred, some bloodlines are highly valuable, "upbred", others downbred, degenerated to a certain degree at least. In prehistoric times its quite clear the same happened, with the worse bloodlines dying out because of stronger selective pressures.

    The message of the article would suggest mixture as a possible solution, but thats not true, because the harmful genes being still passed on, just having a somewhat lower frequency, whereas the positive genetic combinations, upbred over so many generations through unimaginable hardships our ancestors had to fight through, so many dead, so many suffered, but the end result was a more beautiful, intelligent, group oriented, rational and versatile race, best suited for the new homeland in the temperate climate - which includes Northern and large parts of Southern America, as well as South Africa and most of Australia by the way.
    So you dont get rid of the cons, but just destroy the pros by mixture, which doesnt solve the problem only selection, at best human Eugenic measures, can solve on the long run.
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