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    Your Opinion on Pat Buchanan?

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    The problem is that conservatism in America is wedded to a mythology of capitalism that is almost theological in it's perspective. this whole current mess in no small part goes back to Reagan and Thatcher and their notion that markets are self regulating. The fact is that unrestrained capitalism always leads to economic predation in the same way absolute socialism always leads to economic failure and bureaucratic despotism.

    The conservatives are right on the issue of immigration and race issues but wrong about the Corporate Plutocracy which they think is in their best interests.I mean they did not get the message on Enron. Except for the black folks the issue of the election was economic,and the middle class was tired of being screwed by the Dick Cheney's of the world. this leads to the lesser of two evils scenario.
    When you are afraid of Medical bankruptcy and being thrown out in the street,well thats a big incentive to close your eyes about race. For a decade the media has been inundating America with images of black people hanging out with whites,even though it is not real.
    Look at all the commercials there is a black in almost all of them usually with whites. if you went by the percentages in commercials you would think blacks make up half the population.
    The fact is 80 percent maybe ninety percent of whites have no close black friends. Blacks self segregate. it is operant conditioning by the media to get whites used to seeing the images of the friendly black person. This is why many they have no problem voting for him.

    What do you think of someone like Pat Buchanan? Do you think he's on the right track with his ideas. I've started reading his books called The Great Betrayal. He's talking right now about free trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragonslayer View Post
    What do you think of someone like Pat Buchanan? Do you think he's on the right track with his ideas. I've started reading his books called The Great Betrayal. He's talking right now about free trade.

    I am a Pat Buchanan fan in fact I sometimes post on his web site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boernician View Post
    I am a Pat Buchanan fan in fact I sometimes post on his web site.

    I am also a fan of Pat Buchanan. He exposed that Whole Georgia-Israel -US triangle months before it happened, He **said** it was going to happen.

    The Jews hate him.

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    I'm a huge Pat Buchanan. He tells it like it is. He doesn't try to sugarcoat things. He's not worried about being politically correct. The man his a foundation of knowledge about history, etc. I would just love to sit for hours and talk about a host of issues with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragonslayer View Post
    I'm a huge Pat Buchanan. He tells it like it is. He doesn't try to sugarcoat things. He's not worried about being politically correct. The man his a foundation of knowledge about history, etc. I would just love to sit for hours and talk about a host of issues with him.

    That is because Pat is a real old school Paleoconservative Republican, Like my father was, Like Richard Nixon was, not a republinsteen, 'neocon".

    Pat was around in the 1960's bless him, In those days Anglo-saxons still ruled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfang View Post
    That is because Pat is a real old school Paleoconservative Republican, Like my father was, Like Richard Nixon was, not a republinsteen, 'neocon".

    Pat was around in the 1960's bless him, In those days Anglo-saxons still ruled.

    We need more Republicans like that. I'm a member of the GOP. I'm a Paleoconservative and not a Neocon. Buchanan is the man I've wanted for President for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragonslayer View Post

    We need more Republicans like that. I'm a member of the GOP. I'm a Paleoconservative and not a Neocon. Buchanan is the man I've wanted for President for years.
    There is one problem with him - and it is pretty much the same problem that other hopefuls like Ron Paul have - he is already in his seventies as we speak (turned 70 twelve days ago, according to Wikipedia ).

    So - if one would put Paul or Buchanan forward for president in 2012 ... they'd be 74 and 77 respectively ... meaning that their first presidential term would end when they were 78 and 81 respectively.

    Sure, the second time Winston Churchill was elected he was 76 or 77 and by the time he left office, he was 80 or 81 - and sure his first term as a PM started at age 66/67 and he won a war at age 70/71.

    But unless the world is really going the way it is going, i.e. downhill - there will be no call for a president of that age. If war-times or times of revolution are brewing then you'd want someone with a great deal of experience and that's where the older leaders tend to get voted into power because they have the eminence of apparently having the situation under control --- but in times when the toxic brew is still simmering they all hope that the remedy against it is "change", usually heralded by a younger politician --- be that Obama now, or even Hitler back in the days (the crisis had stricken economically, but not yet the war: And Hitler was 44 when he came to power.

    Arguably, when the war came, he was still somewhat too young to have the same reassurance that the likes of Churchill would have given; the only matter speaking in his favour being his being a decorated War hero --- but if there had been no WWI, I doubt he would have been able to assert his power as effectively during war times, that being something that tends to fall to long-time veterans).

    The same way - if the 2012 election were between Obama and McCain again, McCain might win due to the situation worsening and worsening and his age being assuring in the same way that it was off-putting this time around.
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    I totally agree with you. He's too old now. I supported him in his other bids for the White House. If some people didn't support McCain because of his age, I don't see either Paul or Buchanan getting ahead again due to their ages as well.

    We need leaders in the 40's or 50's that have a lot of the ideas that Paul and Buchanan have. They have a vision for America. They also need to have those attributes that allow them to get elected.

    I do think there are times that people are more likely to elect an older person. When experience and a steady hand are need to fix the problems we are facing. Those type of things didn't work this time around. People didn't care that Obama had no experience. They didn't hold it against him. There was also the big mantra of change. It was the change that people felt like only a younger person could bring and not someone set more in their ways.

    I just wish we had a younger man or woman out there more like Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, etc. Someone that we could get behind. All Western nations really need some good leaders now and in the future. We have some tough times ahead.

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    The same way - if the 2012 election were between Obama and McCain again, McCain might win due to the situation worsening and worsening and his age being assuring in the same way that it was off-putting this time around.
    McCain is not going to run for president in 2012, unless it is as one of those third-party candidates that gets less then 1% of the vote. McCain will be lucky if he doesn't lose his senate seat in 2010. Arizonans voted for him last week by 55% to 45% for Obama, not that impressive for the "native son" & for a state that was famously conservative not so long ago. It is becoming Californized. Conservatives are so disappointed by McCain they may select someone else in the primary. And if they don't the Dems might ran a strong candidate against him, like Janet Napolitano the current Democrat governor (and probable lesbian). Thanks to the pro-immigrant policies that McCain supports there have been a lot of demographic changes in Arizona since he was first elected to the Senate. In 1998 McCain was reelected to the Senate with 57% of the vote but that was against a token candidate who received no support from the Democratic Party - they allocated their money & manpower elswhere. McCain's career is over. The Dems & the Conservatives in the Republican Party both smell blood.

    Ron Paul has the right ideas but I don't think he is aggressive enough to lead in what is becoming a much rougher political enviroment.

    Pat Buchanan has the right aptitude to lead in the coming years. What is coming to fruition is what he has been warning against for years. Regardless of his age I think in the approaching crisis people will follow him.

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    I too am a big fan of Buchanan. He's right down my alley on most issues, although his views on Russia seem a bit like the ones held by white nationalists to me, i.e not very credible to a Scandinavian.

    He stands for the same vision of America that I had growing up, and which caught my imagination: small towns, freedom combined with duty, economical independence, self-reliance, family values, patriotism, religious faith, personal freedom bridled by and used within the framwork of tradition, a strong belief in honor and sacrifice, great pride in and reverence for the history of the nation; the list goes on.

    Buchanan stands for all those traditional values which I as a Conservative hold dear. He is their most prominent spokesperson and ardent defender heading into the 21st century, and he deserves recognition for it.

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