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Thread: How Do You Reconcile Your Entertainment with Your Beliefs?

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    How Do You Reconcile Your Entertainment with Your Beliefs?

    Nowadays most of us live in or near densely populated, urban areas where the media constantly bombards us with all kinds of entertainment. Modernity lurks and pounces and punches us in the face, while we try to be true to our beliefs.

    Personally I find it difficult and tiring to constantly scrutinise the entertainment I subject myself to and to see whether it can be reconciled with my beliefs.

    Where do you draw the line? Do you avoid certain movies/TV-shows because they're immoral (or amoral) for instance? Do you refuse listening to certain bands and singers because their own beliefs conflict with yours? Are you completely through with modern entertainment and avoid it altogether? Do you spend time thinking of your own forms of entertainment?

    Questions, questions, questions...

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    I live in my own world for the most part.
    I work in the world of those around me and stay current enough to be able to preform my job well, but when I am away from work I am a different person.
    I do not watch much television, I don't spend money on the newest gadgets, I don't care about the politics or culture of those around me.

    I don't go out of my way to avoid modern culture, I just don't buy into it. I don't spend anytime fighting it either, my tastes, personality and actions define me; not my distastes and arguments.

    Living where I do, surrounded by both modern college cities and rural areas; I can always find a retreat from it all.

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    I try to watch only news, documentary films that interest me and I dont watch tv.
    I have a pc but I dont buy expensive electronics.
    For other things I only listen music in my language or folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anlef View Post
    Do you refuse listening to certain bands and singers because their own beliefs conflict with yours?
    Questions, questions, questions...
    I'll answer this question for now. It's only happened once but I refuse to listen to one band anymore, even though I really like the band instrumentally. I stopped listening to Rage Against the Machine. Tom Morello (himself a mulatto) is actually a very good guitarist. My problem is that ever since I really started listening to the lyrics and finally understood exactly how much I find them horrible I can't bring myself to listen to them.

    Some lyrics:
    GUERILLA RADIO

    Transmission third world war third round
    A decade of the weapon of sound above ground
    No shelter if you're lookin' for shade
    I lick shots at the brutal charade
    As the polls close like a casket
    On truth devoured
    A Silent play in the shadow of power
    A spectacle monopolized
    The camera's eyes on choice disguised
    Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
    Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?
    Yes a spectacle monopolized
    They hold the reins and stole your eyes
    Or the fistagons
    The bullets and bombs
    Who stuff the banks
    Who staff the party ranks
    More for Gore or the son of a drug lord
    None of the above fuck it cut the cord

    Lights out
    Guerrilla Radio Turn that shit up

    Contact I highjacked the frequencies
    Blockin' the beltway
    Move on D.C.
    Way past the days of Bombin' M.C.'s
    Sound off Mumia guan be free
    Who gottem yo check the federal file
    All you pen devils know the trial was vile
    An army of pigs try to silence my style
    Off 'em all out that box
    It's my radio dial

    Lights out
    Guerrilla Radio Turn that shit up

    It has to start somewhere It has to start sometime
    What better place than here, what better time than now?

    All hell can't stop us now
    SLEEP NOW IN THE FIRE
    The lie is my expense
    The scope with my desire
    The party blessed me with its future
    And i protect it with fire
    I am the nina, the pinta, the santa maria
    The noose and the rapist, the fields overseer
    The agents of orange
    The priests of hiroshima
    The cost of my desire
    Sleep now in the fire
    PEOPLE OF THE SUN

    Yeah people come up

    Yeah, we better turn tha bass up on this one
    Check it, since 1516 minds attacked and overseen
    Now crawl amidst the ruins of this empty dream
    Wit their borders and boots on top of us
    Pullin' knobs on the floor of their toxic metropolis
    But how you gonna get what you need ta get?
    Tha gut eaters, blood drenched get offensive like Tet
    Tha fifth sun sets get back reclaim
    Tha spirit of Cuahtemoc alive an untamed
    Now face tha funk now blastin' out ya speaker, on tha one Maya, Mexica
    That vulture came ta try and steal ya name
    But now you got a gun, yeah this is for the people of the sun

    It's comin' back around again!
    This is for the people of the sun!
    It's comin' back around again! Uh!

    Yeah, neva forget that tha wip snapped ya back
    Ya spine cracked for tobacco, oh I'm the Marlboro man, uh
    Our past blastin' on through the verses
    Brigades of taxi cabs rollin' Broadway like hearses
    Troops strippin' zoots, shots of red mist,
    Sailors blood on tha deck, come sista resist
    From tha era of terror check this photo lens,
    Now tha city of angels does the ethnic cleanse
    Uh, heads bobbin' to tha funk out ya speaker, on tha one Maya, Mexica
    That vulture came to try and steal ya name
    But now you found a gun, you're history, this is for the people of the sun
    They were the only group that incorporated rap that I liked. Mostly it's metal with hip-hop beats and the lead singer half-rapping over it. Essentially they are an anti-white, very pro-Mexican, anti-government, anti-war, anti-christian, anti-capitalist, socialist, anti-WASP, multikulti, urban rap-metal group. They enjoyed making music railing against Anglo-American culture and the percieved injustices done to Blacks, Indians, and Mexicans by Anglo-Americans.

    They used to be very popular.

    Only one White guy...the bassist I believe.

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    It honestly is a constant battle for me. It's a constant game of checks and balances. I truly try to justify everything I watch, listen to, and read. The decisions are not often culturally/racially related, but sometimes that comes into play. For instance, do I dislike Jackie Mason because he's a Jew? No. Do I dislike him because his entire persona is that of the most stereotypical Jew you can find, and I'm not a big fan of that culture? Yes. He's probably not that funny anyway, but I won't even give him a good listen. (Not the most contemporary example, but a clear-cut one.)

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    Jagerzen,

    I admire the way you deal with the world around you, although I wonder: don't you ever feel the need to step forward and yell out what you think? A few years ago I saw a fascinating and well filmed (three hour long) German documentary on the Carthusian monks of the Grande Chartreuse: Die Große Stille. They go about their business, leading a humble life, appreciating the most basic elements of the world. Yet when my friend told me that it nagged him a bit how the monks seemed... passive, I felt the same way.

    And so it seems with Germanics; I mostly keep to myself as well, yet not as much as you describe. Shouldn't we -in stead- be up in arms more? Or do you believe it is wiser to let this proverbial storm blow over to clean up the mess?

    Soten,

    That's a good example. I have the same feeling about the same band. Occasionally I listen to one or two of their songs, but every time, as they play, I have this sting in my head and a voice telling me: 'these guys are against almost everything you stand for'.

    The thing is, I just know that such a great deal of the artists out there are just as left-wing and lunatic. But I feel I have to give credit where credit's due and judge the art on its own. As you do when you praise Morello's guitar work.

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    So are you asking - "I am an old prude when it comes to clothing, casual sex, sexual orientation and the likes - but can I still watch Lesbian Porn?"

    My verdict is - yes you can. Come on - it's entertainment. If it's comedy/satire, you're supposed to laugh - it's not like it's serious and sometimes it helps to laugh at pretty much anything.

    As such, I don't stop watching The Simpsons because of an ominous David X. Cohen in the production team, I quite loved the King Of Queens even though one of the leading actors is Jewish and looks like a Latina and the main character's best friend is black; and yes I had some of my best laughs when I saw Dave Chapelle's (he's black) sketch "Clayton Bigsby: Black White Supremacist".

    Ya know - Hitler is reputed to have amused himself greatly whilst watching "The Great Dictator".

    Some of my favourite bands have a left-wing ideology, some of my favourite bands sing about Satanism, some of my favourite bands have absolute pricks as their band members ... so what? I don't want to boff their sisters - so why should I care. I listen to music for music's sake, and the message that the music brings --- not the message that its lyrics bring: And that's me saying that as a vocalist and lyricist. (Obviously Hip Hop and the likes don't qualify on the music scale already - we're talking Folk/Neofolk/Metal here. )

    Where one should draw the line though is where we aren't talking about comedy, nor are we talking about the general "entertainment value" that something like music brings: but where the show actually preaches degenerate values beyond anything.

    As such, I tend not to watch stuff like "Germany's Next Topmodel" or "The Swan" or any of the things that are there to make women obsessed about their figure. I also do not tend to watch things that are purely stupid and/or openly preach values that I disagree with (i.e. if we aren't talking about the character having a Black best friend - but about having let's say a Black girlfriend)

    I mostly still watch Television for Sports, Documentaries, and the News (and the latter, for my entertainment, at times ) - but when it comes to actual entertainment, I don't care who makes it - comedy just has to be funny, end of story.

    As such, I tend to not care when it comes to comedy - but when we are talking about actual preaching of degenerate values - the telly is off, full stop.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I am glad to see that most germanics here make an effort at scrutinizing their entertainment. Music and sound are central to the developing of a national Character.
    It amazes me in a negative way to see all the hip-hop culture in Germany and Sweden.

    Ps. lately my entertainment has been Skadi-mania.

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    Personally, I'm a firm believer in the distinction between high and low art. Although I do have a certain disdain for the fact that low art is practically the only form being produced today, I find myself able to enjoy both varieties in different ways. Just because I enjoy listening to Berlioz and Brahms while sipping brandy doesn't mean that the next day I can't pop open a beer and put on a Burzum record. However, when it comes to negro music, I turn a deaf ear 99% of the time.
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    Grimm,

    I can really relate to what you say. It's not just the scrutiny, but also the fact that I have to explain over and over again to friends and family how I find so little in the media that really, deeply appeals to me; it makes me feel like I'm a bit abnormal, or grumpy. Or a snob. I mean, I enjoy many things on TV and in the cinema, but they seldom speak to the heart and mind, and I either consciously or subconsciously filter out the elements I dislike.

    It would make such a difference if there were more out there to my taste (i.e. things that reflect a genuine respect for truth and beauty in stead of progressive slogans etc.).

    On the other hand, to be fair, I catch myself liking modern stuff more than I can justify. Is it temptation, or is it finding the good things among the bad things? I'm guessing both.

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