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    Mad National American Indian Heritage Month

    Brief History on the Creation of a
    National American Indian Heritage Month

    The Effort to Establish a day of Recognition for American Indians

    What started at the turn of the century as an effort to gain a day of recognition for the significant contributions the first Americans made to the establishment and growth of this Nation has resulted in a whole month being designated for that purpose. But, it has been a long and winding trail that has taken many turns during the last 84 years that has not resulted in an "official day" of recognition.

    For many years, Indians and non-Indians have urged that a special day be set aside to honor America's first citizens. From time to time, legislation was proposed in the U.S. Congress that would designate the Fourth Friday in September of each year as American Indian Day. There has also been legislation that would establish a Native American Awareness Week the fourth week in September. Introduction of these bills, none of which were passed by Congress, resulted in modern day almanacs listing the fourth Friday in September as American Indian Day under the heading "Day usually observed -- not legal holidays".
    http://www.nativeamericans.com/NAHistoryMonth.htm

    Here's the official site: http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/...n01/inner.html

    OK, so everyone has a month. Fine, we're bent on the Balkanization of the USA. That's cool, I already knew that much. What I didn't know was that "National American Indian Month" was November. I'm fine with Indians but they specifically tried to take the month of November to compete with Thanksgiving, which is really the only holiday Americans had to reflect on their colonial origins. It's in the same vein of thought as those Indian (and Mexican now) groups that try to call Thanksgiving a "National Day of Mourning". It all goes into the liberal anti-European revisionist history of America that is being pushed.

    The BOLD above: I, personally, do not know of any significant contributions that Indians made to the creation of the USA. Maybe they are counting Indian translators like Sacajewa? Secondly, Indians as the first citizens? That's rich. I don't know exactly when Indians were even considered American citizens (sometime when they were in reservations) but it was well after Euro-American colonists recieved their independence from Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    BOLD above: I, personally, do not know of any significant contributions that Indians made to the creation of the USA. Maybe they are counting Indian translators like Sacajewa?
    They have violently opposed us for almost our entire history.
    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    I don't know exactly when Indians were even considered American citizens (sometime when they were in reservations) but it was well after Euro-American colonists recieved their independence from Britain.
    It was after blacks and women if I recall correctly.






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    Here is a description of some of the "holiday festivities" that await every good Ango-American boy and girl on Thanksgiving anymore.

    Welcome to the 17th century, reads the sign as you approach the Pilgrim village at Plimoth Plantation in southeast Massachusetts. Inside the stockade fence, the "character interpreters" dressed in handmade Pilgrim costumes, affect a solemn demeanor, and speak in a lilting Elizabethan English. Ask them about George Washington, and they look at you blankly. "George who?" It's 1627, after all.

    These days, Plimoth Plantation is more than just a theme park of "feel good" history, however. It is one example of the cultural war that has emerged over the traditional depiction of the peaceful Pilgrim and Indian Thanksgiving.

    At issue are two competing views of America and American history: on one side, the American past as a heroic account of the birth of freedom and democracy; on the other, the nation's past as a brutal tale of conflict, racism, and the decimation of native peoples.


    Heroic Founding or Original Sin?


    For years, "America's Hometown," as Plymouth prides itself, has been the custodian of the myth of America's founding. There is Plymouth Rock, of course, enshrined under its granite portico, and the Mayflower II, moored in the harbor. There is Plimoth Plantation and Pilgrim Hall and the Mayflower Society, even the Plymouth National Wax Museum. Each Friday afternoon in August and on Thanksgiving Day, visitors can watch the Pilgrim Progress procession, in which 51 townspeople—dressed in Pilgrim garb, banging drums, and carrying Bibles, muskets, and halberds—march past Plymouth Rock and towards the site of the old meetinghouse, just as the original settlers did back in 1627.

    At issue are two competing views of America and American history: a heroic account of the birth of freedom and democracy, and a brutal tale of conflict, racism, and the decimation of native peoples.

    Over the years, the other, less celebratory, side of Plymouth's history has been largely ignored. Plymouth, after all, was originally a place of Indian settlement called Pawtuxet ("Place of the Little Falls"), evacuated a few years before the arrival of the Pilgrims, due to a plague believed to have been brought (unwittingly) by European fishermen. It was also the place where, in the aftermath of King Philip's War, the head of Philip himself was carried into town on a spike and left to stand at Town Square for two decades.

    For several decades now, the militant group, the United American Indians of New England (UAINE), has staged demonstrations in Plymouth each Thanksgiving, some of which have turned ugly. Renaming Thanksgiving the "National Day of Mourning," their intention is to awaken the country to the darker side of Plymouth.
    My forefathers placed King Philip's head on that pike. We should have had it preserved so that no one would forget the battles we fought against them.

    http://www.infoplease.com/spot/tgpilgrim2.html - this site is the source for the above. It continues on with even more of this stuff on subsequent pages.

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    Organized by UAINE, the National Day of Mourning rally on Cole's Hill became as much a part of Plymouth Thanksgiving tradition as the Pilgrim Progress procession. But it was an uneasy coexistence. UAINE identified the Pilgrims as the source of all evils, accusing them of introducing "sexism, racism, anti-lesbian and anti-gay bigotry, jails, and the class system to these shores," as one UAINE member put it in a speech.

    On Thanksgiving 1994, UAINE militants forced their way into the First Parish Unitarian Universalist Church, where an interfaith service traditionally took place after the Pilgrim Progress parade; they refused to leave until permitted to speak. Two years later, on Thanksgiving 1996, UAINE confronted the Progress on the streets of Plymouth. With the police nowhere in evidence, the demonstrators forced the latter-day Pilgrims to cut short their parade, pushing them back towards the harbor. The symbolism was lost on no one.
    Same source.

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    Well the real myth is the myth of a homogonous native American or Indian. None of the native peoples saw themselvs as brothers of the others nations. a few had alliances but many were mortal enemys. it is not true all fought us either many did not as they had more quarrels with ancient enemies than did with settlers.

    The Choctaws for instance sided with United States in its war for independence the first American citizens who were Indians were those Choctaw that choose to stay in Misissippi by the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek in 1831. The Southern Cherokee under General Stand Watie stood with the Confederacy in the War for Sothern Independece and were loyal Allies.

    Many tribes has policys of assimilation in the west the crow nation stood with the white man as one of their Prophets predicted white men would come and they should intermarry with them to strengthen their race. They fought with the US Cavalry and many of the scouts in the 7th were Crow warriors such as Bloody Knife and White Man Runs him. They were mortal enimies of the Lakota who had taken the Black Hills from them.

    In 1812 when Tecumseh tied to get the Choctaw to join against the White men Pushmata the Chief of the Choctaws refused he said "Choctaw and their neighbors the Chickasaw had always lived in peace with European-Americans, had learned valuable skills and technologies, and had received honest treatment and fair trade."
    Pushmataha accused him of tyranny over his own Shawnee tribe and other tribes. Pushmataha warned Tecumeseh that he would fight against those who fought the United States.[27]

    With the outbreak of war, Pushmataha led the Choctaws in alliance with the U.S., arguing in favor of opposing the Creek alliance with Britain after the massacre at Fort Mims. he later became a US General.

    Tribal warfare was away of life By the 1650 the powerful Iroquois Confederacyhad aquired weapons from the Dutch and were driving out the Sac Fox and Kickapoo from the Midwest,only to be pushed out later by the Sioux. Intermarraige with whites was absolutley wholesale both on the east coast, in the south and on the frontier in General.

    Despite the diversity of Indian cultures in North America, patterns of resistance to Euro‐American conquest followed certain patternas sedentary groups tended to capitulate or intermarry more quickly than their nomadic War like counterparts.

    Yes radicals are always a pain in the ass but the main thing to remember is that ideas like Indians and white men are concepts that have no historical reality. There is no Whiteland and nobody that speaks Whitish,nor is there an Indian Langage. These were all people who formed nations with differnt langauages and pretty much acted like Europeans in reagard to their relations to each other,this false unity stuff is historical nonsense,like African brotherhood.

    For example, at Crow Creek in South Dakota, archaeologists found a mass grave containing the remains of more than 500 men, women, and children who had been slaughtered, scalped, and mutilated during an attack on their village a century and a half before Columbus's arrival (ca. A.D. 1325).
    All the houses were burned, and most of the inhabitants were murdered. This death toll represented more than 60% of the village's population, estimated from the number of houses to have been about 800. The survivors appear to have been primarily young women, as their skeletons are underrepresented among the bones; if so, they were probably taken away as captives.
    As for Indian Unity and claims of European oppression,being some kind of destruction of Intertribal Paradise thats a joke

    Lawrence H. Keeley, a professor at the University of Illinois, says that 87% of tribal societies were at war more than once per year, and some 65% of them were fighting continuously.Iroquois routinely slowly tortured to death and cannibalized captured enemy warriors.We all know what the aztecs did there were 100,0000 skulls found by the Spaniards,.

    These Redmen forget little things like The Massacre of Cutthroat Gap which occurred in the spring of 1833 in the Wichita Mountains. Osage Indians attacked the Kiowa village of Chief Islandman while most of the warriors were away raiding the Utes and the rest away on a buffalo hunt. The Osage killed the few remaining men and more than 150 Kiowa women and children. Few escaped. The Osage cut the heads from the bodies and left them in a row of kettles spread across the village. The gap, a small fertile valley, was named because of this incident.

    The Osage also killed my great, great, great grandfather Zacharaiah Martin in Louisana in 1793. This precipated his son to go on an Norman Irish war path in which he reputedly killed thirty of them in five years thus earning the Nick name Indian (Killer) Jim Martin.
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    The Creativity Religion celebrates "West Victory day" on 29th December. This commemorates the final Germanic victory over the redskin. Even if it was a massacre it was the final battle on the American soil, sealing, by right of conquest, supreme ownership to the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    That's rich. I don't know exactly when Indians were even considered American citizens (sometime when they were in reservations) but it was well after Euro-American colonists recieved their independence from Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    The Creativity Religion celebrates "West Victory day" on 29th December. This commemorates the final Germanic victory over the redskin. Even if it was a massacre it was the final battle on the American soil, sealing, by right of conquest, supreme ownership to the land.
    Thanks, pretty funny considering the US Army had few actual Germans in it,not even that many pure Anglos Saxons,it was heavily Irish immigrants,some Italians a lot of Indians from tribes that were enemies of the others,and quite of bit of mixed blood mestizos.

    I avoid hating whole groups of people as thats a bigots perspective someone lacking in critical thinking skills. Also one hell of a lot of "white" people have Indian blood if they are from places like Arkansas,Kentucky,Georgia, Alabama.
    I prefer to destroy the ethnic radicals and anti European academic types with historical facts and hard cold logic.

    The Border family's(Reivers and Ulster Scots) that moved to those areas were survivors and not particularly interested in pedigrees. The Cherokee women could choose there own husbands an a lot of them choose White men. Many men had three or four wives because of mortality illness death in childbirth.

    Oddly enough German immigrants were notoriously poor soldiers ,why I do not know but they were not representative of the martial quality of the German Nation as a whole. In the Civil war large contingents joined the Union and their penchant for retreating at full speed gave them the name by both Confederates and Federals of 'Flying Dutchman"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boernician View Post
    I avoid hating whole groups of people as thats a bigots perspective someone lacking in critical thinking skills.
    You could have paraphrased that from an antiracism website.

    I hate murderers, rapists, and thieves. I guess then I'm a "bigot" and I lack "critical thinking skills." I hope you don't believe anything that stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boernician View Post
    Also one hell of a lot of "white" people have Indian blood if they are from places like Arkansas,Kentucky,Georgia, Alabama.
    I hear this a lot. Do you have any proof?
    Last edited by SouthernBoy; Thursday, November 13th, 2008 at 02:07 AM. Reason: It was "hear" not "here." I sit corrected.






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    I have not problem with 'American Indian Heritage month' it is a nice balance to Columbus Day, African American Heritage month etc. My understanding is that the Seven Nations were an influence on the framers of the Constitution. Hardly the only influence but worth noting. I also like Leif Erikkson day as a general day of recognition of Scandinavians in the USA. I would like it if St Patrick's day had more to do with Ireland and less with getting drunk. I would like to see an English/Albion day/month and a German day/month if we are going all multicultural.

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