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    Question The American Election System

    Being European, I (and probably some other members on the site too) am uninformed about how the American election system works. Could someone please explain it to me in brief, in such a way that an outsider would understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Being European, I (and probably some other members on the site too) am uninformed about how the American election system works. Could someone please explain it to me in brief, in such a way that an outsider would understand?

    Thanks!
    Actually, the system, is German=



    An electoral college is a set of electors who are empowered to elect a candidate to a particular office. Often these represent different organizations or entities, with each organization or entity represented by a particular number of electors or with votes weighted in a particular way. Many times, though, the electors are simply important persons whose wisdom, it is hoped, would provide a better choice than a larger body. The system can ignore the wishes of a general membership, whose thinking need not be considered.


    Origins of electoral colleges
    Germanic law stated that the German king led only with the support of his nobles. Thus, Pelayo needed to be elected by his Visigothic nobles before becoming king of Asturias, and so did Pepin the Short by Frankish nobles in order to become the first Carolingian king. While most other Germanic nations had developed a strictly hereditary system by the end of the first millennium, the Holy Roman Empire could not, and the King of the Romans, who would become Holy Roman Emperor or at least Emperor-elect, was selected by the college of prince-electors from the late Middle Ages until 1806 (the last election actually took place in 1792).

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    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=109868&page=4

    Basically, each state is allotted a certain number of electors, who select the President, similar in style and based on the Kurfürsten of the Heiliges Römisches Reich selecting the Emperor. Initially, the states selected electors themselves, the system grew more democratic to first have the people of each state vote for electors, and then directly for the Presidential candidates themselves with the actual position of 'elector' being more of a formality than anything else.

    Each state is allocated a number of electors (this is the number of 'electoral votes' a state has) on the basis of weighted population, similar to the way seats in the European Union are apportioned by country. The formula is 2 + % of total population*435.

    For example 1% of the US population resides in Mississippi, then Mississippi gets 2+.01*435=6 electors/electoral votes.

    A quick and easy way to calculate this is that the total number of electors/electoral votes a state has is equal to the combined number of representatives that state has in the lower house of Congress and upper (Senate).

    The way the modern setup works, whichever party wins the most votes in a particular state gains all of the electors/electoral votes of that state, no matter the margin of victory. If the Democrats beat the Republicans 71-29% in Oregon, the Democrats get all 7 of the electors/electoral votes of that state. If the Democrats beat the Republicans 51-49% in Oregon, the Democrats get all 7 of the electors/electoral votes of that state. Maine and Nebraska have more complicated formulas, but this is irrelevant since they always arrive at the same result.

    Some states are easy to guess who will win the most votes. Just like the CSU always gets the most votes in Bayern, the Democrats always get the most votes in California and the Republicans always get the most votes in Utah, so to 'call' California for the Democrats or Utah for the Republicans takes about as much effort as it does to safely predict that after a certain election the CSU will get the largest number of votes in Bayern.

    The TV networks all compete to be the 'first' to 'break' news, so they will 'call' a state for one party or the other as soon as they can reliably predict that the state will in fact vote that way and not embarrass the network by voting another way.

    There is of course a problem of political bias-the TV networks favor the Democrats, and thus have a temptation to 'call' states for the Democrats in order to depress right wing voters in states further to the west who are in different times zones where the voting is not yet finished. In this election, the crucial state of Ohio was 'called' for the Democrats at an early time while voting was still going on in fiercely contested western states like Nevada, and hours later the Democrats were still only ahead by a fraction of a percentage point with less than 3/4 of the votes counted.

    In the 2000 election, the TV networks 'called' the key state of Florida for the Democrats while voting was still going on in part of the state which is in a different time zone and also a right-wing stronghold. It was claimed that this had the effect of discouraging right wing voters in this part of the state from voting, and in the final official vote tally the Republicans won the state by 537 votes out of millions. Had 538 additional right wing voters in this part of Florida said "f*** it, no point in voting now, the other side has already won", then the media prediction would have become a self-fulfilling prophecy.



    Unlike many European countries like Britain and Germany, the legislature is an entirely seperate body from the titular head of state-more like France and Russia in this regard.

    The upper house of the legislature, the Senate, is comprised of 2 Senators from each state, no matter how big or small that state is. The Senators are elected

    The lower house is apportioned by population, into districts like Britain has, districts are not allowed to cross state boundaries, and the district boundaries are redrawn every 10 years by the state government of the state in which they reside, and must be of roughly equal population. Each district elects a single representative who gains the largest number of votes from that district.

    A federal law called the 'civil rights act' forces the states to draw boundaries which create districts in which ethnic minorities are the majority, but are not allowed to cordon off all the ethnic minorities into one district.


    The states also each elect a governor by popular vote, and an upper and lower house of the state legislature on a district basis similar to the form of the lower house of the national legislature: districts of roughly equal population are drawn and each elects a representative.
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    CrossTalk on Democrats: Rigging the system


    Don't like the Electoral College system result CHANGE THE SYSTEM


    There are calls to end the Electoral College system, lower the voting age to 16, allow non-citizens to vote, and to pack the Supreme Court with more and partisan judges. What is happening here? Well, it would seem that, if you can’t win on the merit of your ideas, then all you need to do is radically change the system.

    CrossTalking with Jen Kerns, Wendy Osefo, and Bruce Fein.

    CrossTalk on Democrats: Rigging the system22 Mar 2019.


    1. Only those born in the USA can ever be voters
    2. International observers
    3. Get rid of the riggable voting machines, Paper ballots only and strict control of the vote counting
    4. Keep voting age 18
    5. Keep the Electoral College

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    This article helps explain it a little bit.

    https://checkyourfact.com/2019/03/22...-college-evil/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth View Post
    This article helps explain it a little bit.

    https://checkyourfact.com/2019/03/22...-college-evil/
    A relevant excerpt from this article provides additional information about the origins of the "Electorial College":

    To promote adoption of the Constitution, Madison and others wrote a series of essays in 1787 and 1788, known as the Federalist Papers. In one of the essays, Madison noted that social classes were created by an unequal distribution of property among citizens. This inequity leads to differing political interests. Knowing that, Madison and others wrote into the Constitution safeguards for the upper class to maintain political and economic control. They were greatly concerned because the working class and poor vastly outnumbered the wealthy. For this reason, they feared a true democracy in which the majority rules.

    The Founding Fathers believed only men of property should be able to vote in elections, and they could only vote directly for members of the U.S. House of Representatives. The individual state legislatures would elect U.S. senators for their states. An electoral college composed of wealthy men chosen by the states would elect the U.S. president. Supreme Court justices were to be nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Through this complex system, the selection of national leadership was safely buffered from influence of the large lower classes.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-...lass-prejudice



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    Basically the electoral college was put in place to keep from happening what the Democrats are attempting.
    The voting age should be raised to 30.
    Voting should be restricted to white men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post
    Basically the electoral college was put in place to keep from happening what the Democrats are attempting.
    The voting age should be raised to 30.
    Voting should be restricted to white men.
    I concur. But would you go a step further and restrict voting to male property owners as well?
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