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Thread: Obama and the Difficulty of Taxonomy in Racial Hybrids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd

    In fact, the only other mixed-race person I have seen that looks less Negroid was a guy at school, who looked pred. Nordoid for all intents and purposes, save for his pigment and hair texture (which came from his African-American father) - he was thus able to pull off the "gentleman" much better with the middle- and upper-class lasses we had at school.
    There was a boy in one of my schools who was naturally blonde-blue with pale skin...... but his hair was the kinky texture of negroids, and his brother was a light skinned black. They were both mulatto. Then I saw a young girl at a car dealership several weeks back who was a pale, freckled skinned redhead with light eyes.... but her hair texture and features were negroid. There was a pale skinned, freckle faced girl with green eyes and europid features where I lived before here, and her hair was negroid textured, along with her having a brother who was more negroid looking-- both mulatto.

    And then there is this politician:

    G.K. Buterfield-- who is considered African-American (I have never been able to find any information as to how much of his ancestry is actually black.)

    Seen here with Obama:








    And don't forget some other Mulatto politicians such as Harold Ford Jr.





    And Corey Booker:

    Seen here with Obama:












    I realize that the majority of mulatto's are not light, nor have europid features. I think that as the years advance and racial awareness is broken down we will continue to see more and more like these.

    In another 50 years, Skadi forum will have threads on "How much is too much?" with regards to african ancestry. Sorry to make light of the situation, but you already see other forums where people post the likes of Mariah Carey and ask these questions. "Yesterday" it was native american ancestry, "tomorrow" it will be african ancestry.
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    I just remembered when the girls on racialist forums were all gaga over Wentworth Miller. And before him it was Vin Diesel.
    "I do not know what horrified me most at that time: the economic misery of my companions, their moral and ethical coarseness, or the low level of their intellectual development." Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

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    I posted Suzanne Malveaux awhile back. She is the daughter of a Black Creole from Lousiana & a White mother. She fooled Agrippa.

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    Metrically, some "Obamaoids"(mullato is offensive today, lol) can be progressive and not at all unattractive, no wonder it's only those who are more on the Europid side.


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    I have given the thread a more meaningful title, and have moved it to the general "Physical Anthropology" section, because there was little to no actual taxonomy going on in the thread, instead interesting opinions were offered on the classifiability of racial hybrids - that merit a placement in the general PA section rather than the Taxonomy section, which should be exclusive to actual classification.

    I posted Suzanne Malveaux awhile back. She is the daughter of a Black Creole from Lousiana & a White mother. She fooled Agrippa.
    And she would have undoubtedly fooled me, and many others too. Actually, her case sheds some light on why there are diverse reasons for asking a person's parents for their daughter's hand in marriage - I am sure no one would think that Malveaux was of mixed-race background unless they actually met her father.

    Either way - this is taking it back into the larger Europid spectrum, and touching on a topic that has been discussed umpteen times - but sometimes it is hard to tell elements which you may consider undesirable in a potential partner, because you find your background outside your cultural standards. Notorious for this are people of half-Jewish or quarter-Jewish heritage.

    It actually caught me out. Ever since seeing the movie "The Hole" several years ago, I had this "secret fancy" for American actress Thora Birch and her unique, unique eyes, you know. I only found out last year that she was quarter-Jewish. I was shocked to say the least, I would never have guessed.



    I could never, ever have guessed. I was devastated...

    That can be take further, sometimes it's impossible to tell that people are half-Jewish - unless you actually see their parents. Compare Gwyneth Paltrow and her brother with their father. Especially her brother doesn't "look Jewish" at all.



    And Leah Remini, the female star from King of Queens - looks Latina if anything: But she has no Lation background: Instead of Italian and Austrian Jewish background. I'm still "trying to find the Armenoid" in her.

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    I always thought there was something odd about Malveaux's appearance, her complexion at times appears to be to naturally dark. Maybe it's because I spent the early part of my childhood in overwhelmingly Nordish enviroments. If her last name had been Italian I wouldn't have given it much thought, but since it was French I thought she might Black Creole, some of them are notorious for being lightskinned with Europid features. As for Birch, she looks different also but in an "White Ethnic" way, Slavic or Jewish. Paltrow does not look 1/2 Jewish but her surname gives it away.

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    Scarlett Johansson...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ćmeric View Post
    If her last name had been Italian I wouldn't have given it much thought, but since it was French I thought she might Black Creole, some of them are notorious for being lightskinned with Europid features.
    Well, actually viewing the other thread makes me change the opinion on her looks. From half-profile she doesn't look foreign though.

    What gives it away on other pictures is the hair texture; even though it is straight, it doesn't fall in the way that a fully Europid person's would - it falls in the way a mixed person's would, see Condoleeza Rice.

    On the face of that, she does look a little exotic - but mostly still on the Europid spectrum. The Negroid influence is minor, restricted to her forehead, the hair texture and the curvature of the face. The combination of them makes her look exotic, but none of the features on their own are strictly Negroid features, and the combination could arise in people of fully Europid phenotype.

    The skin-tone for being naturally dark could have been otherwise acquired. She still looks mainly like an exotic Alpinid/Mediterranid mixture, which was my first guess anyway. The hair gives it away, but morphologically it'd still be hard to tell.

    Another one that is half Black but who could just be an exotic Mediterranid, with possible other admixture, and if Black-looking looks like a quadroon or an octoroon at best would be Jennifer Beals (also mentioned in the other classification thread). She looks exotic, but you wouldn't encounter her in the road and say "Oh, she's evidently half Black" ... you'd think she was from somewhere around the Mediterranean sea, maybe the swarthier areas, but you'd be hard-pressed to put her down as mixed-race per se.




    I've seen Southern Italian women who look like somewhat like her.

    As for Birch, she looks different also but in an "White Ethnic" way, Slavic or Jewish.
    Well, her name derives from the German name Biersch. That name is to be found mostly in the Rhineland, even though it only occurs about 30 times in the phonebook.

    Another similar name, Pirsch, is most common around Brandenburg, but with an extremely heavy concentration on a one-off just outside of Munich.

    Birch actually exists, too, mostly towards Mecklenburg-Pomerania. The fact that, like all abovementioned it is actually concentrated in an area, makes it look like it may not have originally been a Jewish name.

    Pirch is a name that has over 300 phonebook entries throughout Central and Northern Germany.

    Pirchner is a Bavarian/Austrian surname which occurs mainly in the West (and oddly enough has a similar distribution pattern as my own surname, which is nowhere near Pirchner in spelling nor sound) and is the West-Austrian counterpart to Pirkner, which is a common name in the East of Austria.

    And finally, Birkner is a quite common name in Germany, which is found all throughout, and mostly in Franconia.

    All these names are of course related to the Birch tree, similar to Weidner, Danner, Eichner/Eigner are related to other trees.

    She could have well come - before I checked it up, from an Eastern German area, which morphologically tends towards the Eastern Cro-Magnid influences in cases.

    As such, even after checking the name part up - and before checking Wikipedia on her ancestry - I had no way of knowing that she was of partial Jewish ancestry.

    And I'd correctly guessed that her forename was named after the Norse God Thor rather than the Jewish scripture, the T(h)ora(h). That is actually stated everywhere.

    And as such, I still stand shocked at her Jewish ancestry at this point in time, when even one of the prettiest lasses on the silver screen is part Jewish. They really are everywhere.

    Paltrow does not look 1/2 Jewish but her surname gives it away.
    Actually, the surname gives nothing away whatsoever. Many Prussian/Eastern German names end on -ow and are pronounced as "owe" rather than "off". As such, there would have been no pointer towards the ancestry by virtue of name. Just by finding out that her father was Bruce Paltrow, and notoriously Jewish.

    Another example of where the name doesn't point towards Jewish ancestry whatsoever would be Lauren Weisberger (for example, Weissenberger/Weißenberger is a common Upper Austrian name), and her looks have tended to fool many a person, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    I must say, I'm quite surprised that folks didn't pick up on the black in the above-mentioned women.
    Oh, I did pick up on Jennifer Beals' Blackness on several pictures. The question that poses itself is: Is it evidently mixed-race, or could it be a Negroid periphery of Mediterranid? I'm thinking one might be pushed to think the latter as a possibility. Let's face it, she wouldn't look out of place in most countries around the Mediterranean, especially the Southern Mediterranean.

    But I maintain that both on Malveaux and on Beals, it could be "unfortunate" recombination save for a few features that rarely combine in such a way on an end of the purely Europid spectrum --- but could technically do so.

    At any rate, both being half-Black look much more Europid than let's say Halle Berry, who is also not devoid of Europid influence, and arguable is more Europid than Negroid if seen as a whole (but has evident pointers of both) --- yet has less Negroid heritage than either of them.



    With the former two, even the schooled eye can be fooled from angles, with the latter it cannot.

    [PS: I'm sick and tired of having to post pictures of African-American celebrities... I do hope I won't have to do it much more often to make a point... ]
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