View Poll Results: What is your view on Switzerland?

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  • In my view, Switzerland is an artificial nation and it should join a Greater Germany ideally.

    18 27.27%
  • In my view, Switzerland is an artificial nation but it should keep its independence/neutrality.

    22 33.33%
  • In my view, Switzerland is not an artificial nation and it should keep its independence/neutrality.

    16 24.24%
  • I'm undecided/I don't know.

    4 6.06%
  • I have another view.

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Thread: Is Switzerland a Nation? Are the Swiss an Ethnic Group?

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    They're not a nation, they're a country run by traitors and indoctrinated citizens just like Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and Austria. "Switzerland" should join Germany, whether they like it or not. Fragmented pseudo-nationalism isn't acceptable. I can't believe people here support the independence of part of the German nation based on pseudo-arguments that they aren't German. If tomorrow someone wanted to cut off a part of your country, would you accept it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    My point was the Reich allowed some plebiscites in the past times and I'm not seeing why any future Reich, if it will exist in the future times, wouldn't allow a plebiscite for Switzerland.
    Do you really think the Reich would have permitted plebiscites if the popular opinion had been against unification with Germany? It would have been political suicide. Those plebiscites you mentioned were organized with an agenda, of course it was a pro-German agenda so it doesn't matter in the end.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Fragmented pseudo-nationalism isn't acceptable.
    But GDR "nationalism" is? How is that any different? The GDR was a fragmented part of the German nation itself, yet GDR "patriots" always emphasized their difference from the FRG and their unwillingness to join a system which was against socialism. Why should Switzerland renounce its democratic system and join the undemocratic, bureaucratic entity that the EU is? The FRG is already trying to push its anti-freedom of expression policy on the entire EU. I don't see anything positive in having the FRG drag down even more Germans with it.
    I can't believe people here support the independence of part of the German nation based on pseudo-arguments that they aren't German. If tomorrow someone wanted to cut off a part of your country, would you accept it?
    Rather based on self-determination. My view is that Germany's situation would have to improve somewhat before the idea of unification could be brought into question.

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    Austria wanted the Anschluss immediately after WWI, but the allied powers (i.e. the Entente led by French diplomacy) did not destroy Austria-Hungary in order to create a stronger Großdeutschland. The aim was to alienate as much German territory as possible, everywhere. It was another round of power politics and the German public was naive enough to expect otherwise. At Saint-Germain, German Austria's claim to substantial German territory in Cisleithania was denied, the Anschluss forbidden and the very name Deutschösterreich as well. The Austrian State Treaty of 1955 only "improved" on this.

    The situation in Switzerland is very different, of course. Even the right-wing Swiss Germans still believe that their "nation by choice" will remain a golden wonderland as long as it stays neutral and out of the EU, but the country is already child-poor and foreigner-rich like all territories in the so-called West, inside or outside of the EU.

    It is my strong belief that the fate of Switzerland is going to be the same as ours, good or bad, and with disunity chances rise that it will be the latter.
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    Germany didn't allow a plebescite in Saarland in 1935. France controlled the area under a League of Nations mandate & was required to hold a plebescite on the future of Saarland (an entity that didn't exist until after WWI). The 90% in favor of reunion with Germany reflected the sentiments of the ethnic Germans, most of whom could remember when they had been part of Germany just 15-years earlier. As for Austria's 99.73% vote in favor of anschluss with the Third Reich, that sounds fishy. About the only place in the world where you could get the electorate to approve something by that margin is North Korea. Jews made up nearly 3% of Austria's population in 1938, am I to believe that at least 90% of them approved of the anschluss?
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    360,000 adults had no voting rights. The plebiscite was definitely not kosher, but it would have resulted in a 'yes' as long as Austrians had the opportunity to say 'yes', which they did not when Saint-Germain still had to be respected.

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    Switzerland in its current structure clearly is not a Nation; it is an artificial construct, just like Belgium. In the same way the Swiss clearly are not an ethnic group : Swiss Germans are German, Swiss Italians are Italian, and Swiss French are French. That's a fact, just a mere fact.

    Then comes the question of politics... I believe that in the current situation the perspective of Alemanic and Germanic parts of Switzerland joining Germany is a plain and total nonsense.
    What we should do is to encourage the separation of Alemanic Switzerland from Latin parts, which would have two consequences : the creation of a culturally and ethnically homogeneous - Germanic - area; and politically a more anti-EU and conservative area, as French parts of Switzerland are, like Wallonia by the way, the strongholds of socialism, multi-culturalism and pro-europeanism in the country. Economically speaking I am pretty sure it would also have good consequences.

    And the same goes for other West Germanic lands where identity and nationalist feelings are stronger than in "Motherland", namely Flanders and Elsass (and Austria though it is already independent). There is currently no need to integrate these areas into an anti-nationalist BRD. Perhaps in 50 years from now... But I believe that as long as Germanic ethnic and cultural preservation is respected, politically no one should be forced into a centralist greater German(ic) Reich. We could envisage something like a confederation of Germanic nations, with Dutch/Flemish, Alemanic, German, Scandinavian independent areas.

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    It is foolish to say the Swiss are an ethnic group, they separated from the Holy Roman Empire for their own profit. With the German populace dominating the Italian and French in Switzerland the state of the country is 100% false. Most Swiss call themselves German Swiss, Italian Swiss, or French Swiss depending on their ethnic background. So Switzerland should be split between the ethnic groups there.

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    Switzerland should be annexed into Greater Germany. They will definitely not join voluntarily without perhaps a decade of propaganda, so I think they should just be forced.

    It goes without saying that this should not happen until the next Reich occurs and responsible leadership is returned (Monarchist or something along the lines of NS). If it is democratic, pro-Judaic/USA/Britain, or anything along such lines it would be better to keep them separated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie View Post
    But I´ve experienced that not less people from the Austrian state "Vorarlberg", who are Allemans like the Swiss (and speak the same language), would support a reunification with Switzerland! This means that Vorarlberg would leave Austria to join Switzerland.
    Well, actually there was a plebiscite in 1919, when over 80% of the Vorarlbergians opted to join their Alemannic brothers in Switzerland. For some reason, and shilly-shalliness on the behalf of both the Vorarlberg and Swiss sides, it never took place.

    Their extraordinary willingness, almost desparateness to be united with their Alemannic brothers led to Vorarlberg being called Kanton Übrig (Cantone Left-Over) in Switzerland around the time of their aspirations. The rest of Austria jumped onto that bandwagon, once that became known. Lovely title for the people in *ahem* Hinterarlberg.


    Quote Originally Posted by Koenigsberg View Post
    Switzerland should be annexed into Greater Germany. They will definitely not join voluntarily without perhaps a decade of propaganda, so I think they should just be forced.
    Whether they should, from an ethnological point of view be part of ours does not stand to debate. Much of their folk culture and customs are shared by their neighbouring areas, which are either part of Germany or Austria. As such, a true Greater German Empire would thus logically have to include Switzerland, and more so actually before the meaning of the word Röstigraben (the culutural "dividing line" between German and French Swiss) becomes meaningless and their German identity is wholly subsumed in a Swiss identity as a matter of fact rather than as a matter of self-identification.

    However, forcing them will probably fall upon deaf ears. You can make a strip of land yours forcibly and you can use propaganda to that respect, but you cannot force a people's identification with their new rulers: For some reason, the Welsh still do not see themselves as English, even nearly 800 years later. Therefore, such a move would have to be carefully crafted, and brute force is probably not the way to go there.

    If we wished to annex Switzerland, we would have to use a good old "Heim ins Reich" type of propaganda, generally assure the Swiss a certain sense of decentralised decision-making, and highlight that our long-time German Rulers (Habsburg) were from Switzerland and thus that we were one of a kind ---- otherwise we would just alienate them more from their rightful brothers, and that'd be the last thing we'd want to do.

    Switzerland - if they want to - should have every right ... or at least their German cantons ... to join a Greater German Empire: However if that is our aspiration then we must be very careful. It might be better to wait for a more opportunous time to include these Germans in such a construct rather than to ruin the possibility for all eternity by hurrying them to join us.
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    The biggest impediment towards joining Germany would be the Swiss neutrality or as their saint Nicholas of Flüe put it, "Don't get involved in other people's affairs". Neutrality is a principle of Swiss foreign policy and has been there since the 1500s. The biggest controversy on Islam, border opening, troop involvement, etc. has been registered in Switzerland. Here is a posted regarding Swiss troops, for example. It reads, ''Are Swiss sons to be sacrificed in other people's affairs?''



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