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    Yes, the deliberate firebombing of German civilians (600,000 killed) and the post war intentional neglect of German POWs resulting in untold deaths truly are the worse war crimes of any era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koos de la Rey
    200,000+ Germans died (were purposely burned alive) in the Aliied bombing of Dresden
    The figure is actually around 35,000 people killed during the bombing of Dresden, and that's from official third reich records of the time.

    The very first action of the Luftwaffe in WW2 was to bomb civilian targets in the small Polish town of Wielun on September 2 1939. That the Allies returned the compliment with interest after having been on the receiving end, isn't surprising.

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    Greetings!

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelcynn Beorn
    The figure is actually around 35,000 people killed during the bombing of Dresden, and that's from official third reich records of the time.

    The very first action of the Luftwaffe in WW2 was to bomb civilian targets in the small Polish town of Wielun on September 2 1939. That the Allies returned the compliment with interest after having been on the receiving end, isn't surprising.
    Welcome to BuB Angelcynn Beorn.

    I have the good breeding not to be petulant with a new member, so I won't at this time argue the dubious merits of murdering non-combatants.

    Besides, if we Europeans and European derived folks don't make a serious effort to "bury the hatchet" for the sake of our racial survival, we will end up in some very deep sh!t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelcynn Beorn
    The figure is actually around 35,000 people killed during the bombing of Dresden, and that's from official third reich records of the time.

    The very first action of the Luftwaffe in WW2 was to bomb civilian targets in the small Polish town of Wielun on September 2 1939. That the Allies returned the compliment with interest after having been on the receiving end, isn't surprising.

    Any reliable source for your statement?

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    personally i contend the the Second World War was really 2 convoluted struggles: a civil war between Germanic nations and a war against the Mongols. The civil war of course being Allies vs Germany and the war against the Mongols split into two main conflicts, Germany/Finland (and let us not forget the Cossacks and other White Russian elements) vs the Bolsheviks and Allies vs Japan.

    of course the Bolsheviks (and the Allies, sadly) were united by a single alliegance but thats a story for another day...
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    Churchill

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    Churchill in the original post is John Churchill. I don't consider Winston Churchill to be a general at all. Even when he was First Lord of the Admiralty he poked his nose in and was a pro Dardanelles man and look what a fiasco that was although the thinking behind it had merit.
    John Churchill's Rhine march was a tremendous feat.
    Patton was all "two up and bags of smoke", as we used to say when hairing recklessly across open ground in our Scimitars

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    Zhukov ?

    Why is it that no one has even mentioned General Zhukov ? He was highly regarded as a general, not only in the Soyuz, but outside it. General Eisenhower praised him highly, saying in 1945, "One day there is certain to be another order of the Soviet Union. It will be the Order of Zhukov, and that order will be prized by every man who admires courage, vision, fortitude, and determination in a soldier."

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    I would hesitate to hail Zhukov for true tactical abilities; he was successful when, facing a depleted and desperate enemy, numerical superiority was used to its full potential. With massive reserves of men and armour, Zhukov, like other Soviet commanders, paid little mind to potential losses in combat, and consistently acted in a reckless and impulsive manner in effort to win Stalin's favour over his peers. As was the situation across the board, forces under his command took horrifying and unnecessary casualties. On even terms, without the ridiculously inflated ranks of the Red Army, Zhukov would have struggled against even the most mediocre of German commanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koos de la Rey
    Welcome to BuB Angelcynn Beorn.

    I have the good breeding not to be petulant with a new member, so I won't at this time argue the dubious merits of murdering non-combatants.

    Besides, if we Europeans and European derived folks don't make a serious effort to "bury the hatchet" for the sake of our racial survival, we will end up in some very deep sh!t
    I can live with that, and i do get tired of going over WW2 threads arguing about who the good guys and bad guys were again and again. But the stickler in me still doesn't like seeing inaccurate evidence being used to support claims, so i responded. Regardless, i hold no grudges about WW2 either way and have no axe to grind with National Socialism at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelcynn Beorn
    I can live with that, and i do get tired of going over WW2 threads arguing about who the good guys and bad guys were again and again. But the stickler in me still doesn't like seeing inaccurate evidence being used to support claims, so i responded. Regardless, i hold no grudges about WW2 either way and have no axe to grind with National Socialism at all.
    Angelcynn, I think my intensity about the subject is the result of discovering at this late date that we WW2 era children were so thoroughly and (I think) deliberately lied to regarding causes, characters and crimes.

    Also, there's a growing ambivalence within me since my own father was in the US Navy in the North Atlantic and at the same time his cousin was a German officer in a U-boat sinking Allied ships. Kinsmen trying to kill one another, and for what?! I am sick at heart over the 80 million members of our race who died in the 20th century's wars. Now we are seriously diminished and dangerously on the wan.

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